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Capcapcap - TriCap. - TC for short … are you a TC?

Complaining about people complaining about people complaining about people complaining - lol

do you know that you see the message history in the forum?

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I see what you did there. :joy:

I’m just sick of anybody having something less than positive to say being labeled a whiner. It happens here as well as many other forums for any assortment of goods and entertainment. It’s like if you have anything negative to say, even in the midst of other positives, you’re toxic.

Sorry kids, but we’re all individual snowflakes with similar and unique thought processes. We’re not always gonna agree on things. One man’s trash is another’s treasure, that sort of thing. So get over yourselves and let all the other snowflakes have their say, whether it’s something you want to hear or not.

And enough with the labels.

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I always enjoy reading your posts as you seem to put alot of thought into them. I do have trouble, however, seeing as much distinction between casino gambling and summons as you do. Granted, there are different ‘goals’ at the apex of both activities, but they both activate the same endorphin rush we all crave. And I think one may, indeed, get a TON of enjoyment at the game even if failing at any particular summons. There are enough related game activities in E&P to keep one engaged and happy between positive summons just as there is in a casino.

But how many times do we need to hear that ascension mats are difficult to get? That has been, and continues to be, a feature of the game that helps free and cheap players be able to compete. Same goes for summoning odds.

Of course, as with anything, improvements can and will be made. I do favor the idea of an alchemy lab, which you and other players have suggested. But God knows I do tire of all the complaining that ‘I did a ten-pull, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt’ :wink:

To all those who didn’t get the ascension mat/hero they wanted: Better luck next time. I wish you good fortune.


It is true that in the environment of E&P a sufficient amount of activities exist to keep us engaged and entertained. Not only in-game, but also on YouTube, this forum and other platforms. Perhaps it might even be a “rescue tool” for those who have lost themselves in their own negative energy.

It is a nice add (or correction of) to my post, thank you @badassninjadad for that and for the compliment. I do however question the effectiveness of these activities in general, if you compare them to the casino in this example. Maybe this is where our opinions finally seem to differ a little from each other. :wink: I understand that they release the same endorphin rush we all crave, but the environment is just so different!

These other activities to feel engaged, happy and entertained work perfectly fine for me, and for you, but I doubt they do for a major part of the community. This is a subjective feeling and I am aware that the effectiveness of these activities may very well be sufficient enough. As I said, they already are for me.

Why do I have doubts though? The amount of complaints and posts filled with pure whining just seems to be so high. Sometimes I literally sigh out loud when I read the same posts over and over again (yes, the 10x pull and lousy t-shirt is indeed one of them :sweat_smile:), so I do not want to imagine what SSG has to endure from time to time. This also makes me realize that eventhough the systems work fine for me, changes may be necessary to ensure the continuity and F2P/C2P principles of the game. Careful changes, not the desired and impulsive changes the majority of the complaining people are usually suggesting.

I completely agree with you that the current distribution of ascension materials is necessary and very balanced for F2P/C2P players to be able to compete. A simple change in this is not something I support heavily. And neither do I support a change in the probabilities of summoning specific heroes at all. We both appreciate other solutions, which do not necessarily have to create more balance between the certain levels of players (i.e. top class, middle class, F2P, C2P, P2W etc.).

I do fully support changes which would allow people to progress more in the main aspects of the game (heroes and scension materials; “real problems” for a lot of people apparently), but only if it ensures the rarity of these aspects and the balance between the certain level of players.


I have been playing E&P for almost 3 months now. I set myself a spending limit when i realized i WANTED to spend money. The way I see it is i have no qualms of spending $60 on a console game so that was my limit since I have been spending so much time on it.

I love match 3 games and i think this game has all the others beat, especially since there are no crazy annoying pop ups telling you to buy this or that. I think that is why I have happily spent money on it.

I played as long as I could solo and after reading Titans and Wars were the only way to get ascension mats, I joined an alliance and hit another problem ( tackled in another thread- the dreaded non existent leader issue)

I realize that the summon portal is a casino machine, in fact every time I roll, I close my eyes :slight_smile: I don’t go to casinos and do not believe in gambling, but this is fine by me, I know what the odds are and I won’t complain, I know it’s a gamble and have decided to just keep levelling up my training camps instead of the constant disappointment of no 5* hero.

I do have a good bunch of 4* so I am not too miserable, but something does need to be done to balance things out a bit for the players who can’t funnel hundreds of dollars a month on mobile games. I have done the monthly VIP thing but will only do it until I get everything levelled up to 20 when hopefully I can train my own 5* ( though reading the TC20 thread was pretty depressing as well) but I love this game, as far as match 3’s go, it makes you think instead of just swiping, and the graphics are so entertaining. My one suggestion, make the ascension mats more accessible one way or another, specific provinces or challenges to win the mats you need.

Anyway that’s my 2 cents worth. Or should I say $60 worth.


Gaming (SG) v Gambling (addicts).

The odds of “winning” 5* heroes is about the same as winning a Royal Flush in video poker slots. Keep pumping money into E&P and tell yourself it’s just a game.

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This last part, in fact, is a big sticky point for alot of players in the game. We DON’T know what the odds are. I mean we have anecdotal evidence, and people ‘attempting’ to keep track, but it’s all of questionable value. But I agree with your point in general.

You do know what general discussion is or do you. It’s a place for people to come and voice their opinion whether positive or negative if you don’t like what you read then don’t come out here and read it. Sounds like your whining. And when it comes to a just being a game it stops being just a game when you’re spending good money on it then it becomes an investment.


If you haven’t already, you should rectify this situation. Having a strong and/or near-full alliance will greatly help your team to consistently reach loot tier IX on titan attacks, making sure you get the most ascension loot ‘rolls’ in your titan loot. This, of course, helps you max more of those heroes. Thx for sharing your game experience. :smiley:

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Can you please stop whining as well, hypocricy doesn’t further one’s cause. Urgh!

I love these Stockholm syndrome threads.


When I spend REAL CASH on something I expect it to be fair… If I can’t get a refund then I will not only whine but bitch too…

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Be sure to yell that at the Pit Boss as you leave the casino. I’m sure he’ll sympathize.


If irony were butter, your comment would be the key ingredient in the world’s best cookie. :smiley:

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The reason people complain is, they are hoping that even thier one complaint might make the developers increase the rates of obtaining heros, even if only by a couple percent. When you put in the almost $500 and don’t get a HOTM, that’s bllsht. If you don’t like hearing people complain, move on to the next thread, or as you said yourself, get over it




Let’s hope your complaints NEVER result in this. One of the key features of this game, that enables free and/or cheap players to compete, IS the extreme rarity of heroes and ascension mats.


@badassninjadad is EXACTLY right. f2p players only get about 3-4 epic pulls per month. p2p (not ptw, I hate that acronym) players can have as many pulls as they’re willing to pay for. So if you increase the rate, f2p would get totally screwed. The increased chances of f2p pulling something good would barely be noticeable at 3-4 pulls a month, but p2p would immediately reap the benefits. I honestly feel SG has struck a GREAT balance, that is profitable, yet fair for both p2p and f2p. And yes, some will get luckier than others. That’s the risk you KNOWINGLY take.

And @badassninjadad you won’t have to hope too hard. SG knows better.


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