It wouldnât be possible to fit in perfectly, like you said, since the research building needs to be upgraded. If you time it right though, you could still shave off a significant amount of time and maximize efficiency. Iâm thinking upgrading the advanced iron storage would be a priority? Since the first level only takes 10 seconds, you want your iron to fill up fast. So higher storage?
Stronghold â Advance 1
9 x farm â Advanced 1
4 x food storage â 2 x Advanced 2 + 2 x Advanced 3
4 x mine â Advanced 2
5 x Iron storage â Advanced 1
Hunterâs Lodge â Advanced 10
made a mistake with the earlier numbers 129 days for it,
mines over iron storage because you will be very short on iron while doing this
Can you upgrade all buildings to their advanced form? I was under the impression that you could only do one of each???
The problem with Beta is the small pieces of the roadmap.
If a single Advanced House replaces upgrading 4x Houses from 21-25 then it actually helps F2P and players without VIP Pass.
But if a single Advanced House is all we get, as it is upgrading you miss your recruits production since that is the only building producing recruits.
my impression from beta is that that is just a testing restriction and wont be applied in the live game
So, upgrading Hunterâs Lodge also blocks crafting new items in it for like 586327956239 months right?
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Astonishingly long build times will be quite disheartening to some players.
Same question: is it possible to build more than one adv farm/mine/storages? Thanks
Hi everyone,
Long time lurker, and I really appreciate you guys sharing this info.
Wanted to throw in my 2c about new build times. I think they are absolutely ridiculous and the main reason I even felt need to create this account because I couldnât just sit quiet and watch this wreck.
I have now lost all faith in SGG ever making this game F2P or C2P friendly. All this work on new buildings etc just seems like a facade to hide the fact that spending money is the only way to enjoy this game to maximum. If Hunterâs lodge takes months to unlock all of itâs potential, IMO itâs safer to assume same for Alchemy Lab and Hero Academy.
On VIP, it took me roughly 4 months to get SH, 1x TC, and 1x Forge to level 20. Add at least 2-40 days of trainings to get a 5* from it. And then layer months of build and research to be able to convert your Thorne to something else. We donât even know how itâll work and what the odds are, but it already seems to look like this game doesnât value your time at all and itâs just easier to summon and get heroes instead.
Also all of these upgrades require a 2nd builder. Because if one builder is stuck upgrading a building for 15 days, you wouldnât be able to convert (go back and forth between forge and barracks) without 2nd builder. So another hint, these features arenât really F2P friendly.
Also I have heard this argument float around multiple times that long build times etc are specifically structured in that fashion so it takes months and years for players to max something and they donât get âboredâ with the game early. This is a fallacy and donât agree with this line of reasoning at all. If you are looking for players to log into daily play the game more, waiting for something passive like build times isnât gonna be that. You know what makes players log in daily? Something that actually they can actively participate in eg: map levels, Titans, raids, wars, tourneyâs, events etc. Those are well thought out features/offerings that actually make people care about the game. As a developer, I can spot a band-aid fix when I see one, and long build times are just a band-aid fix.
I can also predict SGGâs response to such kind of feedback. âPlease note x is a feature we are still developing (which is why we are being cautious as to not hand out powerful tool x too early)â. And I kinda hear my PMâs (Project Manager) voice here, âS since we donât have a clue how well this feature will work, weâll just release it in an unappealing manner that only few driven folk would be able to get it, and keep impact to NPS score to a small set of customersâ.
I think at this point Iâve lost all hope of this game will ever not treat non-whales as 3rd rate citizens. Hate being a naysayer but all of these developments just seem like heading towards disappointment.
Thanks for listening. Peace out.
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Damn, and I thought 7 days of research for a free 5* was too much⊠32 days, what were they thinking⊠A new player would quit in less than that time lol.
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That 32 days is the total for all 10 new items, the majority of people will never use half the items anyway so will be much less than this.
The build time are completely reasonable and in now way require people to have a 2nd builder
This game was the same from the beginning: either you pay or you are patient. Anyway if you upgrade your stronghold to level 20, you cannot be a new player.
Ok, but combined times or not, 8 and a half days for lvl 21 stronghold + upgrade time for other buildings + research time? And building time after that is only gonna get longer, am I right? Itâs crazy, SG is underestimating how easily people get bored of a game and drop it.
Imo this will only add to the frustration of new players. The new buildings are cool and all that but this game is particularly slow to give new players incentive to keep building and playing. Thereâs not even a decent guide built in game to explain why they should rush their strongholds to lvl 20 and beyond, or why itâs gonna be fun to wait for literal yearsâŠ
Of course I will upgrade every new building I get. Iâve been playing since december and in a few days Iâll get my first training camp giving me 5* heroes (hopefully). My other buildings arenât maxed tho, Iâm gonna need a few more months for that. And even more months for the new buildings. Not many people would stay for that long imo. The only reason I made it this far is thanks to the forums and all the good info here.
Iâm gonna drop a badly done statistic here lol, based on my clanâs members behavior: I am the only person in my clan of 27 members who researches about new features on the forums (one of the few persons who speaks english there). 5 or 6 of my friends usually listen to me but follow my advice about 50% of the time. The rest of the clan donât follow any advice but complain theyâre not getting anywhere by building stuff and theyâre not getting the heroes they want. Many of them either quit or stop being active players. The few newbies we get stop playing after a month cuz they get bored of the grind. We tell them theyâll get even better heroes and better stuff than us if they wait but it just doesnât work.
I imagine the same thing happens on a large scale. 5% of people probably read the forums, they know this game is about patience. 20% of people knows things cuz they heard that info somewhere. 75% of people are just frustrated cuz the game is too damn slowâŠ
This game stopped being that obscure puzzle game made by a small company in Finland. Millions of people play it now. SG needs to rethink their plan of not letting people get to the endgame too fast. Itâs counterproductive to add more waiting time for âexciting new buildingsâ that will never get finished by most players.
Just my opinion btw.
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Iâm having a hard time getting excited for any of these new buildings, I just donât see what need they fill, but I guess time will tell, just seems like an awful lot for a bit better titan hits (just to still end up with none of the loot you were wanting, looking for).
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NOOOOOOOO! plz have better training. and more space/area for more buildings.
more space & buildings couldâve ease the pain of hitting the wall of maxed 20 buildings.
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This is very helpful, keep up the good work.
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Those VIP sales are the best for these reasons. Iâve been saving up my chump change precisely for when we get another VIP offer. Whenever and wherever it is, itâll be a timesaver for sure.
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What does it cost to train recruits in the advanced house?
Nothing. You donât train them. They generate over time in the same way that food and iron does.
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iâm grateful for all the info here and i hope you continue to share. i have to say iâm not looking forward to these improvements at all. @Sid1207 said everything and i wonât repeat it. at least i wonât be dissapointed when they arrive.
maybe i will upgrade some stuff very slowly, just beacuse i have close to max stronghold, but as a mid to high level player (a week or so away from 2 rainbow sets of maxed 5* and 3 maxed rainbow sets of 4*) i donât see the benefit of all this waiting time. i understand the grind for emblems but waiting for builder to finish or research is litterally the most boring part of the game and seeing it extended to such ridiculous levels kills all my motivation to pursue it honestly.
if anything it makes me appreciate what i have more and on the same token i feel i would rather stagnate than wait around endlessly to be able to up my titan game for example through such means. and if i stagnate i probably wonât feel like sticking around forever too. ah well.
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