Summons are ridiculous - Summons MASTER

[Garanwyn]

@Vinny00193

I read alot on here about SG not targeting people I would like to know your take on this

SG has actually been up-front for a very long time about targeting different offers at different people. They’ve been clear that they do it, and intend to continue doing it, since at least July if 2017.

But they have been equally clear that they DON’T target things like boards, or ascension materials, or summonings.

I have data on quite a decent number of summonings done by a couple of us, and they match the published statistics amazingly well. My study on starting boards was the same way. And the TC20 data looks like what you’d expect from purely random draws. So I have no reason to doubt their claims.

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Here are the relevant quotations from the post by their Chief Technology Officer about the discontinuation of the Gigantic Offer, from back in June of 2017:

@mhalttu

In the past updates, we introduced many new offers into the game. Some of the offers are available to everybody, while others target (for example) new players or the most loyal fans of the game.

Then, after explaining the logic behind the Gigantic Duscount Offer, he said:

@mhalttu

We stand by our decision to show different offers to different people. However, in this case the Gigantic Discount Offer was simply unfair. We have discontinued the offer, and will try to come up with new offers that can be shared with a larger part of the community.

We messed up, and for that I apologise.

So it’s not like they are hiding the fact that offers were targeted, and are still targeted.

What people talk about is the fact that there’s no changing of the boards, or the drop rate of loot, or the summoning. And in the same way that SG has stated clearly that they are targeting offers, they have stated clearly that they are not targeting those things.

https://support.smallgiantgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004865214-How-is-the-Match-Board-configured-

With respect to things like 4* ascension materials, this is the relevant section from the AMA:

@Kerridoc

Is there a variable controlling how mats drop? Like this month they might be less frequent and next month more frequent? Is there a wave of how they drop?

As far as I know, no.

This is like the question of whether boards are random.

There are fixed percentages for titans, for rare titans, and so on. It’s very unlikely that we have changed them; we usually haven’t changed the probabilities since the feature has launched. For example, rare titans and chest, as far as I know these have had the same odds since the beginning, and they shouldn’t be affected by the position of the moon or anything. [Laughter] The odds of pulling 4* items are so low it’s hard to see any patterns, but we haven’t changed anything.

Petri : And we all play the game here, and we all have the same frustration.

Kira : So someone here (not naming names) has fewer yellow heroes and like 30 magic orbs, and that’s all she gets. But for me it’s, “I need your orbs, please!”

Tim : There is no hidden “fail safe” which is how you can get players who have some weird streak, some unbelievable run, but we decided from the beginning not to go that route. There are a lot of issues trying to make such a system good for everyone, so if you get a 4* mat you just get whatever random mat comes up [without reference to what you need or have in inventory]. So players get some really interesting [runs].

And with respect to the general lack of targeting:

@Kerridoc

So to get the super explicit statement that we can quote over and over again on the Forum: there is no way in which the game adapts to the heroes you have, the ascension materials you have, the things that you need, your spending habits, or any other criteria being used to filter the randomness?

Tim: Yeah. In my alliance, for example (and I haven’t actually ever said that I work for SGG, and have been playing with them from the beginning) — there’s a belief that if you do summons one by one, you’ll get better heroes. I haven’t commented. It just doesn’t affect anything — but…what can you say.

Kira: What can you say? A lot of it is people it may be not really understanding the way statistics actually work. The analogy we would like to use to explain when players write to us, is if you’ve flipped a coin 10 times, and 9 times it was tails, it doesn’t mean that tenth time has to be heads. It just doesn’t work that way.