Summons are ridiculous - Summons MASTER

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Woy you guys are winners it’s ok to be a hater I dont care flag me have a nice life

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I tend to find myself chasing heroes. I have pretty weak will, so I’m often buying the little flash offers and trying to save gems for opportune moments, and then I’ll take an attitude of “why save, if I get them, I get them” and it’s a cycle. I was really only ever mad about summons in February when I was chasing HotM Kunchen. I felt like I deserved him, and that was the dangerous feeling. The minute you feel like you are owed anything by this game, the less enjoyable it becomes.

Raiding a team 200 TP lower and thinking because your team is stronger, you deserve to win causes frustration when you lose.

Losing your 3rd AW in a row, thinking the odds are typically win 2/lose 2 so you deserve to win this one makes the loss more heart breaking.

Spending $100 and thinking you earned that HotM makes not getting them more frustrating. I spend money on summons, and I’m only completely distraught when I feel like paying earned me a 5*. It’s just not true, and accepting that has made this game much more enjoyable for me.

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It’s ok to disagree with others very strongly. On this forum, at least, it’s not ok to attack or insult them. Here, you’ll need to abide by the forum rules. These are the forum rules, in case you haven’t seen them previously:

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Maybe it’s cuz I’m new here and I don’t see things as a mod but yes, I do agree listening to complaints gets old fast. Listening to disrespectful people everyday can be pretty tiring, talking from experience. But then again it’s not the job of regular players to confront angry customers everyday, in every thread.

Imo what people who complain are not getting is that we don’t work for SG. They shouldn’t insult mods or anyone cuz we’re all players like them. Angry players shouldn’t be insulting other players cuz they’re mad they didn’t get a hero. Happy players shouldn’t be replying to angry players and start discussions about who’s fault it is when people lose money.

About the football analogy it should be like: complaining about buying a ticket to watch a game, expecting to see some pros like Messi playing in the game (1.3% probability of a C. Ronaldo), but all you get is watch a bunch of amateurs kicking balls.

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Dude, I know you’re angry at the game but maybe if you didn’t start insulting people out of nowhere you wont get flagged?


It’s the view of most Regulars on the forum. It’s one of the single biggest complaints of the long-time forum members, that they have to wade through the angry posts by people who:

  • Got useless crap from summons (and literally every experienced player knows how that feels, so it’s not like it’s some shocking revelation)
  • Had a string of bad boards (yup, we’ve all been there)
  • Have difficulty winning raids
  • Don’t like Raid matchmaking
  • Don’t like war matchmaking
  • Aren’t getting enough AM to ascend their heroes quickly

That’s not what we enjoy reading, and not why we’re here. And the vitriol with which it’s often expressed burns up the stock of natural empathy that most of us have.

My point is that the things people are angry about have been part of the game from the beginning, and are expected features of playing for all of us–much like noise at a football stadium, or the game times, or the ticket prices.

If you go to a place where fans of a game congregate and start complaining about well-understood aspects of the experience, the fans are going to mostly react pretty negatively.


I think I said it before but the forums are not just for fans of the game, or are they? People get redirected here when there’s a bug or they want to make a complaint.

So yeah, maybe we found the culprit here. It was SG all along :confused:


For a 22 pool of legendaries if you had 100% to get one the probability of getting the same hero two times in the row is about 0.02%

Yet there is 26.5% to get a legendary, so to get the same legendary hero 3 times in a row lets say is more difficult than getting the hotm :slight_smile:

I am sorry but people here select what they read. No one “has” to read this thread. its just one click to move somewhere else.

Saying “don’t vent” on the forum of a game that is being fed by frustration is only increasing the frustration

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Here’s what SG has to say about the forum:

So, no, it’s certainly not just for fans. But it is where fans of the game congregate. It’s hard to imagine that many people who aren’t fans of the game would want to hang around here much, although there appear to be a few contrarians who enjoy showing up and throwing rocks from time to time. I’d argue that they’re probably still fans of the game, though, since they apparently keep playing it…

With respect to getting directed here, there are four buttons on the in-game menu:

Two of them are under the “Community” heading: “Report a Bug,” and “Ideas and Feedback.” Those come to the forum.

The Support button goes directly to the Small Giant customer support website.

Yup. We have talked about having an explicit “Feedback For SG” section that was directed just at the devs, and that everyone else could ignore.

Even better would be a “Feedback” button that just goes directly to a web form for SG.

The fact that we, instead, have this intertwining of people wanting to talk just to the devs and people wanting to interact with the community is definitely on SG.


Great idea, a feedback/complaints section would be nice. Devs are the ones who should be dealing with these problems, not us normal folks :+1:


Your math is way, way off.

If the probability of getting a Legendary is 1 in 22, then they each are a 4.55% probability, given that the draw produces a Legendary hero.

If there were a 100% chance of getting a Legendary on every draw, then:.

  • There’s a 100% chance that the first draw produces a randomly-selected Legendary
  • There is a 4.55% chance (1 in 22) that the second draw is a copy of that specific Legendary

Now, you say a 26.5% chance of getting a Legendary, so you must be talking about the Epic hero gate.

The chance of getting at least 3 Legendaries in 10 draws is 1 minus the probability of getting only 0, 1 or 2 Legendaries. That is:

1 - 73.5%^10 - (73.5%^9 * 26.5% * 10) - (73.5%^8 * 26.5%^2 * 10 * 9 / 2) = 51.89%

So you’ll get 3 or more legendaries more than half the time in a 10-pull.

Now, the chance of getting the same 3 Legendaries in three of those slots is 4.55%^2 = 0.207%.

0.207% * 51.89% = 0.107%, or roughly 1 in every 1000 times that an Epic 10-pull is done.

That hardly seems astronomically low. And there are a lot of 10-pulls done by the 1.5M daily active players.

Really? It’s a game.
Anybody forced you to play it.

You’re talking of it, as if it were taxes by law.

And why should a dev respond to complaints of someone, who is disappointed from his game and plays nevertheless?

You won’t vent, if you wouldn’t like the game, you would quit instead.

But feel free to let of some steam here. It’ll definitely help you to calm down, rethink and enjoy it again.

Man o man look what I started…


If only your raids were this successful, right?


I never said don’t vent. I said the people you’re venting in front of are tired of hearing it. Feel free to vent–just as others who are tired of that kind of venting will feel free to respond as they wish too. :slightly_smiling_face:

No offense to you my friend but if you read my previous posts you’d have noticed I’m not the one who started the complaint.

And yes, of course devs should hire people to manage these complaints. It’s their business afterall, isn’t it? Why should I, or should I say we, be dealing with angry tanthrums of angry customers. We’re not the ones who get paid, are we? We’re just regular folks who enjoy the game so no need to be defensive when the game gets criticized bro.

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Ahhh so you’re the real culprit :smile:



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