Summons are ridiculous - Summons MASTER

Can you please clarify, do you mean the complain is: “pure, unshaped random in boards and summoning can produce very nasty results” , but SG continues with the pure “randomness”?

I mean one of the top players in the game did over 300 summonings and failed to get Evelyn when she was HOTM, to the tune of probably $900 worth of gems. I did 362 summonings over the past 2 Atlantises with 0 featured heroes resulting, which is a very expensive 0.88% probable result. Another poster a couple months back was 0 for 400 on featured heroes from Atlantis, which is about 0.5% probable. And the OP went a mind-bending 518 pulls before finally getting a HOTM, an even more expensive 0.11% probable result.

They aren’t statistically surprising results, especially given how many players there are. But they’re nasty outcomes for the money. And in some sense, that makes it worse rather than better that they are expected to be this common.

Other games have taken steps to shape the probabilities so that tail cases like this don’t happen–things like pity timers. But SG is clearly committed to pure random.

Likewise with boards: there’s nothing stopping you from getting 10 bad boards in a row, other than the weight of probability. You get whatever the RNG throws at you, and have to make the best of it.


Boards do not seem that random to me. I get the boards needed to remain at a steady win/loss ratio.
It does not matter what i will do, i will keep have 27 victories 23 loses at the stronghold at the end of the day.
No matter the opponent i will fill the raid chest in 10 raids (rarely 11)

But no matter if i am right or wrong, things are what it is.

But surely you can understand that maintaining the casino like policy will bring the frustration and consequent flaming etc. for you to deal with :slight_smile:.

Good thing for them is that gamblers gonna gamble

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How is it that you are ending up with 50 fights every day? Raid energy comes in sets of 6, not 5, and raid chests are in multiples of 40 heroes. Also, the skip timer bottoms out at every 8 hours at maximum skip rate, which would limit you to 3 raid chests a day. 3 x 40 = 120 heroes needed. 27 x 5 = 135 kills, and one presumes you kill some heroes on the losses too.

So, are you doing a bunch of world energy buying and then just quitting when you hit 50 flags used, even though you still have world energy left over? I mean, the logical breakpoints would be 48 or 54 flags…

Setting that intriguing claim aside, there’s plenty of data showing that the boards are random. I collected a bunch of that data myself–600 raids’ worth. And I also tracked my wins and losses for most of that data collection. My win rate was distinctly higher than 54%.

Not saying i do 50 battles per day.I will do 10-11 raids for the chest and maybe 2-3 more.I am saying i have constant 27 victories 23 loses at the stronghold.
Right now i have 21 loses at the stronghold, which means not good news for my next raids unless i get raided.

Out of curiosity, if you don’t mind how many loses you are currently having at the stronghold (your raids,enemy raids, revenges) all in

I just logged in to check. 30 wins, 20 losses. And my raids in that set are 16 and 4.

Thanks. I do not check my raids. only total. I guess if you also are not raided you will probably get negative result next raids :slight_smile: , If that hypothesis (not mine, a friend’s) stands any merit

Had a flag up, so I just fought another battle for fun:

Bottom line: they’re not managing the results :slight_smile:

I just grabbed this screenshot from the tower you can see that the fight happened after my post here:

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And another:

At this point, I’m going to save flags for the morning.

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With the statics you are keeping i am sure you will monitor this :slight_smile:

Hope you are right and i guess we will see.

I did not doubt you.

Fyi my cups right now 2630 too :slight_smile:


I am pretty much f2p (except for the Valentine’s Day special), and that has kept me pretty content with my pulls. I get some pretty good stuff from my TC20’s (at least enough stuff to keep me busy). Yes, I wish the Dev’s would make the HOTM’s or other special heroes available via TC’s, but my teams do alright without all the awesome heroes.


I stopped paying after I saw the “it’s raining loot ticket”. All other games I play have a skip battle feature for free.

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@Garanwyn when I started about 6 months ago there was a tread about some insane deal that was not given to everyone I don’t know how to put the link in but I took a pic and found another.

I read alot on here about SG not targeting people I would like to know your take on this

I’m not going to get into people’s opinions because we all have them. I know my limits & what I’m willing to spend on this game or my Xbox & PS4. I will say alot of comments make since but we ask people tend to be competitive & impatience. Maybe like alot of other things in life SG found a way to prey on people competitive edge or weakness. True not SG fault because they don’t make you spend money but the TEMPTATION for many is real and uncontrollable. I think in the world they call it BUSINESS. I think you have to have self control in this game. We can’t have every new hero that comes out

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Here’s the thread:

Discourse lets you just paste the URL of something that you want to link to into the text of a thread or post. The bottom of any post also has a little link button that will pop up its URL for you.

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Wow those deals are insanely good. I can’t believe SG would only offer those deals to certain people. I have never seen a deal this good. If they ever bring this back they need to offer it to EVERYONE!

SG has actually been up-front for a very long time about targeting different offers at different people. They’ve been clear that they do it, and intend to continue doing it, since at least July if 2017.

But they have been equally clear that they DON’T target things like boards, or ascension materials, or summonings.

I have data on quite a decent number of summonings done by a couple of us, and they match the published statistics amazingly well. My study on starting boards was the same way. And the TC20 data looks like what you’d expect from purely random draws. So I have no reason to doubt their claims.

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Here are the relevant quotations from the post by their Chief Technology Officer about the discontinuation of the Gigantic Offer, from back in June of 2017:

Then, after explaining the logic behind the Gigantic Duscount Offer, he said:

So it’s not like they are hiding the fact that offers were targeted, and are still targeted.

What people talk about is the fact that there’s no changing of the boards, or the drop rate of loot, or the summoning. And in the same way that SG has stated clearly that they are targeting offers, they have stated clearly that they are not targeting those things.

With respect to things like 4* ascension materials, this is the relevant section from the AMA:

And with respect to the general lack of targeting:


I point this out because alot of the vets seem to side with the game on almost everything by saying can you prove something well here’s your proof that gamers can be targeted. Don’t get me wrong I have my own opinion & or problems with the game but what game is perfect. I play this game like any other and when it gets old I move on. There are lots of games I bought for the consoles systems that were bad and I normally don’t take them back to Gamesstop for their so call refund no difference here.

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@Garanwyn thanks this is the first I have read someone saying that SG targets people

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Just to be clear, SG says that SG targets people with offers:

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