# Styx heroes don't charge as expected

hi, I had seen below chart regarding the necessary mana bonuses required for speeding up mana charges of Styx family heroes.
Well obviously, this doesn’t match with in game reality.
I was able to reach the +29% mana bonus with troop (+20), emblems (+4) and bard family bonus (+5).
Yet my Brontes didn’t charge in 7 tiles as expected, rather in 8.
Bug ?

I tried sharing the chart and was told I was wrong. Here is the explanation by @Grimir.
I haven’t tested this.

This chart is wrong. You can’t charge Styx heroes with 7 tiles with 29% mana bonus. Because it’s not 9 tiles for 2x charge, but 6 tiles for charge 1 and 3 tiles for charge 2. For charge 1 one tile gives you 16,7 “mana unit”. For charge 2 one tile gives 33,3 mana unit. So, let’s assume you do a 4 tiles match and after that a 3 tiles match:

1. 4 tile match = 4 * 1,29 (mana bonus) * 16,7 = 86,0% mana
2. 3 tile match - first tile = 1 * 1,29 * 16,7 = 21,5% mana => 86,0% + 21,5% = 107,5% => first charge complete
3. last 2 tiles of step 2 = 2 * 1,29 * 33,3 = 86,0% mana => 107,5% + 86,0% = 193,5% => charge 2 is not full!
=> You need 34% mana bonus to get a Styx hero to charge x2 with 7 tiles.

It gets really interesting with ghosted tiles with 0 mana bonus:
3 normal tiles + 3 ghosted tiles

1. 3 tiles = 3 * 16,6 = 50% mana
2. 2 tiles ghosted = 2 * 2 (ghost factor) * 16,6 = 66,7% mana = 116,7% => charge 1 complete
3. 1 tile ghosted = 1 * 2 * 33,3 = 66,7% mana = 183,3% mana total => charge x2 not complete.

3 ghosted tiles + 3 normaltiles:

1. 3 tiles ghosted = 3 *2 * 16,6 = 100% mana => charge 1 complete
2. 3 tiles = 3 * 33,3 = 100% = 200% mana total => charge 2 complete

Brontes is not average speed

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Thanks for tagging me. We tested my theory a little bit and I’m pretty sure, that’s how styx mana is calculated. And magic heroes too, where charge 1 and 2 have a different speed. Only ninja charges have the same speed.

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Tagging to give credit for excellent work

Many thanks @Ruskin505 it’s all clearer now

Initial information on mana speed was somewhat misleading…

It’s not 6/9/12, but rather 6 +3 +3…

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truee… styx speed… my bad… will delete my post. old news

Hi,

So I totally agree with you on these charges after reviewing my copy. Except that I can’t get the load to be X2 with 34% and 7 tiles, yet all the calculations say it’s possible.
I have Bard 5%, Mielikki minions 20%, troop 9%.

Where is the bug?

This is After 1 tile + 3 ghost

But with 36% it’s ok

I realized on recent raids that Nemesis reaches from tier1 to tier3 unusually easy. While trying to figure out, I ended up here

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according to the chart above you’d need +43% mana generation in order to charge styx x2 in just 7 tiles @Subarix

It’s normal that you couldn’t succeed with only +34%

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Hi Vince,

Thanks for the answer. I think I need to stop drinking or carpeting, because even with 41%, it doesn’t trigger in 7. So it’s probably 43%, as you say.

However, mathematically, it doesn’t fit, I can’t explain it.

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