So I have reached 100 consecutive summons in a row without a 5* hero

Ive been on about a year, spent good money and only have 5, yes 5, 5 star heroes. 2 of them I got from tc20. I won’t be spending another single dollar on this game. You can’t guarantee a descent hero and I for one am tired of drawing 3 star heroes for my money.

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As they know exactly what we were doing in a determined time frame (see the crash compensation thread) i do think they record our purchasing history.

If so, there’s a high chance they even record results, as for their business point of view that’s a valuable information to know.

Of course i’m not sure, still i have his same doubts about “this go beyond what we are able to do”.

But even if we were right, do you expect them to reveal it so easily? :wink:

Many other games - like Hearthstone for example - changed the odds this way that after X number of pulls/summons/packs you buy, you are guaranteed to get a legendary hero / legendary stuff.

I think this is the only way to keep the game fair balanced in a long term, and I predict that If this will not change here this game will die sooner or later.

My alliance mate just pulled 2x Atomos, Magni, Ariel and Musashi for 30 Atlantis Pulls.

You can again said that it is the math probability - true, but this system is just not fair.

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So post in the topic in the suggestions category then about making the system like in Hearthstone as you mentioned. Because “I did X summons and didn’t get a 5*” is getting really old. I did 140 summons during the winter event as well and did not get any 5*. It sucked but I got some other HoTM’s and a few out of TC20.

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This topic exists if you search for shards or something

Some similar posts prior to yours:

Any luck for Altantis summons?

Coins are a bust

Something awesome about this game!

A few ideas

(On the last, scroll down to Zephyr1’s links).

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for sure, if we could be guaranted to drop a 5* every 50 pulls…it would be cool…

like the chest for AM in atlantis gate

a reward for our consumerism :sweat_smile:

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Saying you understand odds, but don’t understand why you’re not guaranteed by a certain amount, tells me you either don’t understand odds, or don’t want to accept the odds because they weren’t in your favor.

Would you share this same poutrage if, with a 5% chance of getting a 5*, you pulled 20 out of 100? No, because you would have beat the odds.

May the odds ever be in your favor, and willing to accept them should they not.

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Throw it in the Ideas and Features thread for votes. I’d get behind that.

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Important words Kayo. I really appreciate your comments and that you have spent your precious time to write an answer.

But I can’t agree with you. I will try to explain:

  1. I understand that if I have 2% chance of getting a 5* hero I will get 2 for every 100 pulls in average.
    I also understand that I could be very unlucky and do not get any for 500 summons.

  2. When I was buying gems I have accepted that. Of course I believed that I will be lucky enough to get my “average”… What I also expected is that even if those odds are not im my favor, they will be fair at least.

What I don’t accept is when I do 100 pulls and don’t get a single one someone else at the same time does 30 summons and get 5 legendary. This is unfair.

Exactly the same thing happened to Hearthstone like 2 years ago: some players spent a fortune to get a legendary card, and some other just got few in few dozens of packs. But the difference is that HS developers understood that this is just not fair, and they decided to balance the game.
I am sure that they did it without affecting their incomes. Probably the total number of legendary pulled by players is more less the same, but the distribution is more fair. Not perfect still, but more fair.

Here one player issue is to level up their dozens of 5* heroes, but some other have an issue that they don’t have this chance even.

Again: I don’t mind to support the game which I like. This game is really good, general idea is great, fun level is also fine. But when it comes to the balance it is not so cool anymore…

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Happy to help. Let us know if you need any other clarification!

Kayo: As I read your answer in a sarcastic way I will take a risk and answer:
You didn’t clarified anything. At least for me…

I said your words were important in the matter of odds, and here you helped somehow once again explaining how the odds works.

But it seems like they don’t work in the same way for everyone…

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Yeah. One doesn’t go to the craps tables expecting to roll the same number of 7s as everyone else, despite the odds being the same.

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In the sample of ‘recent Atlantis pulls that are known to you’ there were ~130 pulls and 5 legendaries.

@Garanwyn posted the odds of pulling a legendary, which are 0.9% + 0.3% + 1.3% + 1.3% (classic legendary, season 2 legendary, feature legendary, and legendary HOTM, respectively).

In 130 pulls, the number of legendaries we’d expect to see is
130 * (0.9% + 0.3% + 1.3% + 1.3%) = 4.94

Almost exactly the observed value of 5. So, the anecdotal evidence you present suggests that everything is fair; the algorithm doesn’t care if those legendaries went to you or your friend.

But you are correct that you don’t accept it. I do feel sympathetic towards your situation. If what you say is true then you have definitely been unlucky (though it would seem to me not as unlucky as you feel), and that is hard to accept or like. Best of luck on your future pulls.

(Also, as has already been mentioned, I think you should search out the ‘shards’ idea that has been put forth and vote for it.)

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Seems like we don’t understand each other and probably we will not.
You are talking about the odds all the time trying to tell me that I don’t understand them.
I am talking about that the odds may be the same, but the distribution system just could be more fair…

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No it is not fair. It is mathematically correct, but it is not fair…

First, I’m really sorry that you’ve done so many pulls without a 5*. Dude, that just totally sucks.

Addressing the other situation, someone mentioned the suggestion forum thread —great idea! Meantime, if you predominately spend your money so that you can do pulls --you should be able to see how much you’ve spent through the receipts and then figure out the pulls.

If it helps…every time I go to the casino…i leave upset, too o.0 raises fist

Feel better ! :slight_smile:

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Odds don’t really care about fair, guy… I’m sorry to say so.

I don’t know, do you have kids? What do you tell them when life gives them lemons?

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Sheit. Thats some bad luck. I think I did 30 pulls before my first 5*. (Kad. Idc, she helps alot) I tried for HoTM and didnt get any for a while, while watching my buddies pull 5* and HoTM.
I resorted to tc20, and have had much better luck there. After over a year of playing, I got 1 HoTM. TC20 has provided me Azlar, Richard, Horghall, x2 Isarnia. But instead of paying for a chance of a 5*, i focused on my 4*. I find it funny how my 3500-3600 team takes out 4k.tp teams.

Many people are upset about the drop rates in every part of the game. (No 5*, no mats, boards, elemental chests) Honestly no one here can remedy your frustration. All we can do is hope for a better way to acquire things we spend money on.

Definately set a budget on the game(or quit spending) cause when you put $$ in for garbage, it makes it overly frustrating. Again, sorry to hear about the rewards vs amount of pulls.

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I guess it depends on how you define fair. Most people define it as equality of opportunity. In this sense, the in-game summoning system is perfectly fair. It looks like you prefer equality of outcome as a definition of fair. In that case, gacha games are probably not for you.

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