[Raw data] Defense Stat v1.8- 1.11

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[Raw data] Defense Stat v1.8

These damage ratios (Actual dealt damage / damage before defense stat) fluctuate. For the next data set, I need a team of five identical 2* Heroes (tier 1, level 1, 0 XP) with good defense stat and health.

Edit: Trainer Heroes appear to be identical. Even better if I can find a raid defense team of all Trainer Heros.

Edit 2: Looks like 2* Trainer Heroes with common villagers can farm 8-7. Now I just need a blue one.

Edit 3: This software appears to archive all edits, I wonder if it archives deleted posts for 30 days?

Data from Raid screencasts

Nearby of Special skill
damage ratio [modified defense rating]
0.1111 [468]n- R4>P3
0.1073 [511]n- B4>G4

Target of Special skill
damage ratio [modified defense rating]
0.6687 [152]t- Y3>Y1
0.4964 [208]t- P2>B1

0.4194 [253]t- G4>R4

0.3901 [302]t- Y3>P4
0.3920 [308]t- Y3>Y4

0.3076 [418]t- G4>R4
0.1836 [434]t- L50Y3*>L30B4*
0.2768 [450]t- G4>G3

0.2493 [478]t- L23Y3*>P4
0.2383 [478]t- L25P2*>P4

0.2159 [479]t- R4>Y3
0.1795 [481]t- L50P3*>L50G3*
0.2191 [499]t- B4>R3
0.1957 [511]t- L50Y3*>L23G4*

Data Points

Format
Hero Name, E= Enemy M= Mine
(attack stat x troop attack multiplier) x special skill multiplier = damage before defense stat
Hero Name
Defense stat x troop defense multiplier
Actual dealt damage / damage before defense stat = damage ratio, t= target n= nearby, L= level, RYGBP= color, 1*- 5*= stars

Bane E
(357 x 1.12) x 2.7= 1079
Wu Kong
308 x1
423/ 1079= 0.3920 [308]t- Y3>Y4

Bane E
(357 x 1.12) x 2.7= 1079
Rigard
478 x1
269/ 1079= 0.2493 [478]t- L23Y3*>P4

Layla E
(269 x1.13) x2.75= 835
Rigard
478 x1
199/ 835= 0.2383 [478]t- L25P2*>P4

Bane E
(357 x 1.12) x 2.7= 1079
Tiburtus
302 x1
421/ 1079= 0.3901 [302]t- Y3>P4

Caedmon E
(343 x 1.11) x3.15= 1199
Friar Tuck
450 x1
332 / 1199= 0.2768 [450]t- G4>G3

Layla E
(269 x1.13) x2.75= 835
Sigrunn
208 x1
415 / 835= 0.4964 [208]t- P2>B1

Bane E
(357 x 1.12) x 2.7= 1079
Hikaru
152 x 1
722 / 1079= 0.6687 [152]t- Y3>Y1

Caedmon E
(343 x 1.11) x3.15= 1199
Colen
253 x1
503 / 1199= 0.4194 [253]t- G4>R4

Scarlett M
686 x2.1= 1440
Bane, Target
410 x1.17= 479
311/ 1440= 0.2159 [479]t- R4>Y3
Balthazar, Nearby 422 x1.11= 468
160 / 1440= 0.1111 [468]n- R4>P3

Bane M
534 x2.9= 1548
Caedmon Target
474 x1.08= 511
303 / 1548= 0.1957 [511]t- L50Y3*>L23G4*

Grimm M
(542 x1.14)= 617 x2.9= 1789
Hawkmoon Target
446 x1.12= 499
392 / 1789= 0.2191 [499]t- B4>R3
Caedmon Nearby 474 x1.08= 511
192/ 1789= 0.1073 [511]n- B4>G4

Balthazar E
(483 x1.18)= 569 x3.25= 1849
Friar Tuck, Target
450 x1.07= 481
332/ 1849= 0.1795 [481]t- L50P3*>L50G3*

Bane E
(469 x1.13)= 529 x2.8= 1481
Grimm Target
(402 x1.08)= 434
272/ 1481= 0.1836 [434]t- L50Y3*>L30B4*

Caedomon E
(472 x1.14)= 538 x3.45= 1856
Scarlett Target
399 x1.08= 418
571/ 1856= 0.3076 [418]t- G4>R4

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Special skill damage, tile damage and monster spawned health vary. Unknown if monster spawned defense varies.

There is definitely a random roll added to damage dealt against the same opponent using the same special skill. Two Trainer Heroes can do the same, or different damage, to the same boss. Similar situation with tile damage from two Trainer Heroes of a neutral attack color.

We can only see the monster’s health, but the health fluctuates when spawned. 8-7 Scouts vary from 390, 409, 419, 428 health. Unknown if just health, or also defense changes.

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Team
Trainer Hero 2* Yellow, Blue, Green, Red
att 230, def 230, HP 480

Rigard 4* Purple healer

Highland yeti Green
HP 1075
Red tiles (strong)= 20*- 40, 38- 40
Blue tiles (weak)-= 9- 11
Neutral tiles = 18- 20, 18-19
Special Skill (150% damage)= 85, 87, 87, 88, 93

*6+ red tiles (strong) hit and one appeared to be 20 instead of the expected 38- 40. Video replay is needed to confirm this number.

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Something besides RNG is going on here. Trainer Hero 3* and Bane 3* should both be using the same def stat curve, but there are weird variations.

Since my Bane is 3* 3.50, I will try and pull another Bane 3* 1.1 and see if its curve matches my Bane 3* 3.50

Will also try comparing the def curve for a 2* Trainer Hero and a 3* Trainer Hero attacking the same Boss.

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(I know how easy it is to pull Bane when you’re not trying. Does it become difficult when you are?) :wink:

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Yep. The last Bane I had was 22 days ago. :frowning:

I just pulled Oberon from my training camp. Ironically my only training camp Bane showed up after my only training camp 4* hero (Li Xiu).

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Subject
Empire def stat data 12/15

Pulled two more Laylas, in addition to my 8/8 Layla 2* 3.40, so lets give this a try.

Calculations coming soon.

Raw Data

Team
Grimm, Bane, Hawkmoon, Layla x2

2-1 Ratman Halfbreed 571
Layla 2* 1.1= 312
Layla 2* 3.40= 587

3-1 Giant Snake 646
Layla 2* 1.1= 274
Layla 2* 3.40= 533

4-1 Vile Necromancer 596 x2
Layla 2* 1.1= 278
Layla 2* 3.40= 585

Necromancer B 596
Bane 3* 3.50= 779

5-1 Grimorg 798
Layla 2* 1.1= 222
Layla 2* 3.40= 446
Bane 3* 3.50= 606

6-1 Tritonic Mage 924
1/8 Layla 2* 1.1= 195
8/8 Layla 2* 3.40= 389
6/8 Bane 3* 3.50= 544

7-1 Goblin Chieftain 949
1/8 Layla 2* 1.1= 179
8/8 Layla 2* 3.40= 401
6/8 Bane 3* 3.50= 560

8-1 Wilderfrost Commander 1100
1/8 Layla 2* 1.1= 159
8/8 Layla 2* 3.40= 331
6/8 Bane 3* 3.50= 493

8-1 Highland Yeti 1050 x2
1/8 Layla 2* 1.1= 176
8/8 Layla 2* 3.40= 365
6/8 Bane 3* 3.50= 519

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JLooks like 8-7 was a dead end.

Data for 8-6 looks promising. Slow. But promising.

Sabina 1.1
Hawkmoon 6/8 3* 3.50
Azar 1.1
Azar 8/8 3* 3.49
Boldtusk 1.1

Edit:
I MISS common villagers. But the Devs removing them from most situations is for the best.

Edit 2:
That is tooo slooow

Let’s try

Sabina 1.1
Hawkmoon 1.1
Azar 1.1
Blue Trainer 3*
Prisca 1.3

Edit:

Argh

All that data collected and Boss+ 2 mobs ( 8-5, 8-3 or 8-1 ) might be better than 2x Boss.

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version 1.11

From the data sets it appears

A) Attack number is calculated, then a random percentage is rolled for EACH target, and added to the attack number before checking the defense number. We will call it the final attack number.

B) The final attack number is compared to the current defense number and a damage number is generated.

Observations:

Damage tends to fluctuate less for a higher current defense number.

Sequential boss attacks that do identical damage versus team Hero A will still do different damage versus one, or more, of the three to five surviving team heroes.

8-6 yellow+ blue ( double purple, double red, blue trainer hero set )

Sabina 1.1
base stats
attack 329, defense 272, HP 499

with Troops +4% attack, +7% defense, +4% HP
attack 342, defense 291, HP 518

Damage from Blizzard

72, 76, 73, 73, 75,
76, 72, 77, 72, 73,
73,

with defense debuff -18%
attack 342, defense 291 ( -53 ), HP 518

Damage from Blizzard

100, 93, 98, 95, 97,
93, 97, 101, 100, 99,
95, 97, 94, 96, 94,
98, 95, 95, 99, 97,
95, 98, 98, 101, 93,
98,

8-6 yellow+ blue ( double purple, double red, blue trainer hero set )

Hawkmoon 1.1
base stats
attack 273, defense 257, HP 367

with Troops +4% attack, +7% defense, +4% HP
attack 283, defense 274, HP 381

Damage from Blizzard

77, 77, 79, 83, 83,
82, 85, 83, 83, 73,

with defense debuff -18%
attack 283, defense 274 ( -50 ), HP 381

Damage from Blizzard

105, 101, 106, 103, 103,
101, 108, 105, 105, 105,
105, 101, 108, 99, 100,
102, 102, 108, 108, 102,
104, 102,

8-6 yellow+ blue ( double purple, double red, blue trainer hero set )

Azar 1.1
base stats
attack 284, defense 238, HP 375

with Troops +4% attack, +7% defense, +4% HP
attack 295, defense 254, HP 390

Damage from Blizzard

90, 90, 89, 85, 92,
92, 89, 86, 89, 86,
85,

with defense debuff -18%
attack 295, defense 254 ( -46 ), HP 390

Damage from Blizzard

111, 116, 117, 110, 107,
109, 107, 112, 113, 108,
114, 117, 116, 108, 115,
109, 116, 112,

8-6 yellow+ blue ( double purple, double red, blue trainer hero set )

Blue Trainer 3*
base stats
attack 290, defense 290, HP 550

with Troops +4% attack, +7% defense, +4% HP
attack 301, defense 310, HP 572

Damage from Blizzard
71, 71, 70, 71, 72,
70, 72, 70, 66, 66,
71,

with defense debuff -18%
attack 301, defense 310 ( -56 ), HP 572

Damage from Blizzard
88, 89, 93, 88, 88,
90, 86, 92, 86, 92,
88, 85, 93, 87, 91,
89, 91, 85, 93, 87,
88, 92, 85,

8-6 yellow+ blue ( double purple, double red, blue trainer hero set )

Prisca 1.3
base stats
attack 240, defense 270, HP 443

with Troops +4% attack, +7% defense, +4% HP
attack 249, defense 288, HP 460

Damage from Blizzard
73, 77, 73, 77, 75,
73, 74, 79, 76, 77,
76,

with defense debuff -18%
attack 249, defense 288 ( -52 ), HP 460

Damage from Blizzard
97, 95, 97, 98, 99,
99, 93, 99, 95, 93,
101, 94, 94, 94, 99,
100, 96, 94, 97, 95,
96, 100, 94, 94,

-=

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