Raids are unfair, but not for the reasons you think - Raids MASTER

That’s not the worst board possible by a long chalk, instant Yellow diamond clears Yellows out and Reds are pretty kindly placed to clear.

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Again I think you are concentrating on single examples, and probability doesn’t absolutely suggest that only the range 6-8 is acceptable if the average is 7: assuming all boards can show up (which is not true, since about 80% of them already have a match within and are discarded, but I want to keep the discussion not too technical) the probability of having 0 tiles of 1 color is 4 in 10000 fights (not even close to 0) and the probability of having only 1 tile of a given color is 0.35%, which means it should show up about once every 280 fights! Write “0.2 * 35 * (0.8^34)” in your google search bar if you don’t believe me. It goes without saying that the probability of having 2, 3, 4 and 5 tiles are farther from a rare event than you think.

In a day I play at least 16 levels to fill monster chests, 16 raids, 6 titan fights (not counting AW, events, further farming of regular stages), for a total of 38+ fights which adds up to 266 fights in a week. It means I can well expect 1 initial board with only 1 tile of a color each week (and again this is an upper bound, I play many more fights in a week).
But if I screenshot that 1 board and post it here I’m not really fair, I should screenshot also the other 400ish initial boards and count the tiles on each of them.

EDIT: Just to be clear. I gave the probability formula for boards with 1 tile of a specific color, i.e. the unlucky one. The probability for a board with 1 tile of ANY color is about 5 times higher

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Really great summary.

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Yes, that’s all very well and agreeable but not on point.

My point here is the correlation between stacked colour heroes and skewed boards. I am saying that such teams attract a far higher frequency of skewed boards than rainbow teams do.

I sometimes wonder if number of tiles is inversely proportional to number of heroes of that colour.

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Actually I think it is. I’m saying that

may well be due to a false perception, because as human beings we tend to focus on events that strike our attention and overlook the whole picture, and because things that we think should never happen are well within the realm of likely events, so I suggest to actually make a statistic counting the tiles over a large set of fights to have an answer to your question.

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There’s an easy way to find out if the boards truly are biased. Screenshot your next 600 starting boards and count tiles of each color. Do 100 with a rainbow team and 100 with a stacked team of each color. Then figure out the distribution and see if there is any statistically significant difference in the color distribution.

I think you will find the same results as everyone else who has already done this and posted their results here, namely, that there is no difference

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It’s obviously because SG can tell when you’re recording and secretly remove the secret nerf. :wink:

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The problem, which they are not knowing how to confront in SG, @petri, is that the game is dynamic and growing. It is not so much to use only the trophies to confront what frustrates, but margins and growth. They are the same as at the beginning, but now, after more than a year, there are thousands of players with tc20 and teams of 5 climbs. For this, uploading tc20s, taking out a team and uploading it takes more than a year and there are tens of thousands of players, new or with months of play, with teams of 4 * that can not face that and form bottlenecks. The solution would be to couple the game to the new conjuncture and extend the margins much more and put platinum since 1800 and diamond from 2200, otherwise, the problem will grow

I play in Platinum league. For my raids I always use a 3-1-1 or 2-2-1 formation. I choose my opponents and the heroes I will use carefully (usually max 300+ above my power) based on the heroes they are using. I have around 3-4 heroes to choose from for every color. A 3-1-1 formation often includes a 3* hero. It takes me between 8 to 10 flags to fill the daily raid chest. The heroes I always use are Rigard + Grimm and when using 2-2-1 formation I add Caedmon to that list.

I lose way more when I raid for fun to get some iron and food. I tend not to think far ahead when I do that and just pick my opponents randomly. I don’t think I win in 50% of these raids.

I don’t believe the tile distribution of the colors depends on the color of heroes you are using. When I focus myself, think ahead, use the right heroes against the right heroes and apply strategies which have been written on this forum, I win almost every raid to my own surprise. Yes, I do have bad streaks in which I lose a lot. I also have the worst and best boards every now and then. This just doesn’t happen often at all. Not often enough for me to even think about the system is tricking us.

Enough heroes to choose from (even 3*) makes raiding so much easier. The special attacks I am able to use and the strength of the tile damage are two of the major factors, which in my eyes determine if I will win or not.

Color stacking almost always results into an opening board which is not in favor of my team composition. When the board would be in favor of my team, I expect it to have at least the average count of tiles of the strong color I am using. This situation will logically appear less frequent than other situations. Despite that, there are tons of players who still manage to win most of their raids.

I have never payed attention to what color the tiles have and how these are being distributed during my raids. However, knowing a lot of people and myself can win most of our raids makes me believe that it all is fine.

Also, I never felt like responding to the subject ‘‘skewed tile distribution boards’’, because no one has provided enough examples yet to prove that the board is being influenced. Apparently, some people have already proved that it is not? I have also not yet read such threads.

Then, the situation about how the board changes after you have made combinations includes a lot of subjectivity. Your creativiness and tactical decisions have a big influence on how many tiles are being cleared now, in the next round and in the next round after the next round etc. This has influence on the number of chances of your desired tiles to appear as well.

But, when I read that ‘‘mana of my opponents appear to magically store up faster’’ or ‘‘boards magically leave out my strong color when i color stack’’ and so on…people please? :tired_face: :mage:

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Maybe someone can tell me if I can win this raid.

My point is the system is RNG(Random Generated Gaming) that is a gambling algorithm that is used in casinos. The House Always wins.
I pay a little, I like the VIP it gives me 2 builders, so its worth it to me. At first I paid for summons, now I don’t because no way I’m spending that kind of money on a game. So if I want to play, it will be the long way around.

If the board was disconnected from my choice of hero colors I wouldn’t be as unhappy with raiding as I am .It is the one part of this game I really don’t like, its very frustrating.
If the board was disconnected from my choice of color it would be better. The board shouldn’t be tied to my choice it should be random, separate.
If I choose to double on a color and I get 2 tiles of that color and a board full of the color I shorted. When that happens time and time again. Its weighted.
Separate the board from the hero choice.

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Thank you.

Have seen people on here defending the board layout generation claiming it’s random but I’m glad to see someone else sees it and doesn’t think so. But to me it seems more based on the enemy hero colours, not my own.
I find it funny that 99% of the time the only moves ihave atthe start of the board have me playing the same colour against the enemy hero, so it both does practically no damage but maximises their mana, so they power up befoe i do every time.

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Yea, I’m trying to MAKE the board all he while taking a beating. Yes the colors always lining up. I didn’t think about the colors being tied to the defense, either way it winds up the same.
No one can convince me otherwise it happens so often that I don’t need a spreadsheet to prove it…lol

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Why are you raiding with a rainbow team? That’s a sure way to lose. Stack 2 or 3 green hitters and you could easily win that raid. I’d go 2 green (Melendor and Caedmon if you have him), 2 blue (Grimm and maybe Kiril or Sonya), and one yellow or purple, probably Rigard to cleanse status effects from LJ, Isarnia and GM.

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That’s my strongest team. I get the stacking and I do. However I dont have the 2nd string heros like you suggest. I have a couple of color doubles and its getting better.
Im going to work on Skiddleskull next because that’s all I got for green besides Melendor, just wish he wasnt so slow on the mana, got one of thoses already with Owl.
I’ve decided Im on the slow road now no expectations.
The first time I started pulling heros and got 3-3* in a row, that was enough.
Raids really do frustrate me though…lol

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Are your 3* maxed out? If not, max a couple of each color and use them for stacking. You can do that without needing any unfarmable materials.

I keep the following 3* maxed (plus any 3* event or Atlantis heroes)

Brienne, Berden, Belith
Hawkmoon, Azar, Nashgar
Valen, Ulmer, Gunnar
Bane, Kailani, Gan Ju
Balthazar x2, Tyrum

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I think you might have more success by changing the variance and going with 2 or 3 reds instead of 5. True, your spike scores won’t be as high, but with a couple more colors in there, your chances for terrible result are reduced.

Besides that, ur gonna have to offer alot more than anectodal evidence to convince me of what you’re saying. Happy hunting, :thinking::smiley:

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Take out the Owl and Cyprian put in maxed Brienne and Valen.

Your opponents set up has a central weakness.
Kill Isarnia with tiles, hope to catch gravemaker with specials before he goes off, have fun.

You should win one of the 3 matches available against this team ( on an average day ) which would let you win cups.

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This probably is the issue. It’s not the board, which might be or not be random. Your chances will increase significantly if you work on that aspect of your hero-bench. Even if your board appears to be bad, just a line-up of 3 tiles on your strong stacked color could then shift all the odds of winning suddenly to your side! You’re working on Skittleskull, which is good. But 3* heroes can also help out a lot. @NPNKY has mentioned the most useful ones a few posts up here.

I’m between 1900-2200 cup range and still find myself using 3* heroes effectively almost every day. They might die quickly, but the color stacking still pays off regarding higher tile damage.

I’m never, really never, raiding with a rainbow team! I don’t think I have the necessary heroes to make a balanced rainbow attack team. I find my chances of winning raids by color stacking in a 2-2-1 or 3-1-1 formation so much higher. I used to fight in 3-1-1 often, but since I’ve been able to ascend a second healer high enough I usually lean towards a 2-2-1 formation nowadays. Try working towards this and see if it changes anything for you.

The board of course has an influence on your raiding result, but I think the heroes you have available to choose from have the highest influence of everything. Not the (non)randomness of the board, not the way the tiles are arranged on the starting board and not how the system chooses to replace the tiles you have used. Of course, we are all free to think differently. But I don’t want you all to lose hope, knowing that there are so many other people experiencing it differently once they have developed a more varied bench of heroes!

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Raids are, by far, the worst part of this game, especially if you have ever paid any money into this game. Raids are completely decided by luck. That is why you lose an attack to someone with 400 less power than you. That is why your 4K defense team gets beat by 3.5K power teams
You have no control over what happens once you select your move. Sure, maybe the tiles are lined up and you can see the next match, maybe even two, but after that it is pure luck, no matter how much money you spend, you can’t change the fact that raids are based on luck, not power of the teams, just luck. Which is why I will not spend one penny more on this game. Why would I??? Ispend money, get strong heroes, and then get you defense team beat by someone with a much weaker team because they got lucky. It is stupid, and a total wast of money!

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Or, you could read the various guides on becoming better at raiding. There are several. I know, it’s easier to blame the board than it is to figure out ways to maximize the effectiveness of the heroes you have. But in the long run, its much more satisfying to become a more skilled player.

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