Pay2Participate Content (New Raid Challenges). What do you think?

This is beta content for now, Too early to start making assumptions. @Kerridoc would you mind just nipping this at the bud?

It’s within the rules

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The rules have gotten stricter.

Rigs is right…it is when new content is being tested and easily corrected that issues like this need to be debated, and something as important as introducing pay per play content is something the entire player base should get an opinion on and not just a few selected people labeled as beta testers


This screams “crabs in a bucket” to me. We are having civil discussions on the impact a paywall would have on the state of the game, irrespective of this new content. Being shut down over “beta content rules” doesn’t really jive with the spirit of our discussion here.

Why does this need to be “nipped in the bud”?


I haven’t seen any rule changes. Last i heard about it from petri:

And the offical list of forum rules hasnt been updated since last august


It was not my intent to offend. It is just that these sort of discussions have a tendency to spiral into something non productive. And as this is beta content and not ‘‘reality’’ right now there isn’t really much to discuss.


Would it be better if the discussion is on paywalls in general, and not this specific event being tested? Something like…

What do we think about pay to play content’s impact on the game?


On the 25’th of January all beta testers got a updated set of rules. It states that all beta content that is posted outside of the Beta lounge will be removed.

Pay 2 play content sounds horrible. I’m waiting and will see what will finally be in the game. The normal challenge event, how it is right now is pretty bad. If there will be another “event”, raid challenge… with an entry fee, this could kill the fun for me. But like I said, I’m waiting until I know exactly what is going on.


So, if we were in beta we would have a right to voice our opinions on this subject, but since we aren’t beta people, we shouldn’t get to discuss it because it isn’t “reality” yet…doesn’t sound right to me. I think this is the kind of issue that needs discussed by as many players as possible so SG knows what we think and not just the few people lucky enough to be designated “beta testers”


Or simply by number of attempts.
Everybody gets a fixes amount of attempts.
( I have no clue what this event is about so not hindered by any logic in this case :wink: )

And for the second part; I personally do not think that any voice should be more heard or less heard. As long as you are putting in a valid discussion or arguments, everybody should be heard equally.

And how are non-beta players supposed to know this?
I can see why there is a urge for discussion on this matter because many players like the game they play, but do not want to (or are able to) pay to play.


Good thing we’re not beta :face_with_monocle:

We could simply say “should the game have a raid event that is pay to participate” without saying beta is already testing it and fit nicely into a loophole and will go that route if needed but it’s kinda pointless to force us to do that

But yea if @Kerridoc wants to jump through the hoops of hiding every post mentioning beta and/or shutting down the thread so that we open a new one with same subject material under a different topic title but include much of the same information without directly saying from beta, by all means he can knock himself out

Just be a waste of his effort, and all involved

Guess who it doesnt effect? The ones who made the rule lol, go figure


Actually i can agree with that point, I myself do not like the looks of this new development. But I am pretty sure this thread will be shut down if you are directly adressing beta content and sharing info about it. A general discussion about paywalls would be better. That should get the point across even if it isn’t directly related to the raid challenges.


Yeah a discussion like that that gets the point across without possibility of being shut down does make sense…

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I also agree that talking about this when it’s still “work in progress” is a good thing, and that’s why i mention it.

Complain about something when it’s already done and finished it seems to me less productive.


You are right, Non beta players wouldn’t know this. It’s a mistake that the information about the raid challenges have reached the public in the first place. I can not blame people for wanting to talk about it as it is a pretty big subject.


Speaking in generalities only … I don’t like the idea of “paying” to participate. If I choose to pay for certain items, that’s my choice but I believe every player should have FREE access to each event.


Beta info leaks the morning it opens. Always has and always will.

SG cant stop it. Beta testers cant stop it. Non beta players cant stop it. Just somethin else to divide the community much like the pay to play raid challenges being tested in beta lol i have no problem with you daniel but this leak was not a mistake. Beta testers are an extremely small group of the community and have been ignored by SG before.

Public forum is always the best guage of how well recieved a new feature or idea will be. Taking couple 100 out of a couple million and asking “do you think this is a good idea?” Is a terrible guage

Idk any player in or out of beta that thinks this is event system is a good idea.

Monthly events have good rewards(ok decent rewards) for all and nothing in stone that says “must spend”. Much more welcoming than “if you dont have gems, buy some, if you cant buy some then you cant play”


I consider myself a “rappresentative” of F2P in beta, so pretty much is obvious what’s my point of view, but i try to get real as much as i can.

Simply put, there’s no way this event gonna be “FREE” for all. It’s simply impossible in my eyes and i don’t try to even fight back.

The whole purpose of this event is clear to me, and making it free go against his very nature.
All kind of players are in there, and Small Giant are literally running a business here.
There’s simply no way they gonna turn around and make it free. And even if it is possible, the next one would not be free.

So let’s fight for something that we can accomplish.
Making that price from 100 to 25 or so.

What you say?


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