New War Rule Undead Horde - Discussion

[Dan7]

All heroes on both sides -

New War Rule - Undead Horde

The next Alliance War (matchmaking beginning on 2020-10-19T21:00:00Z (UTC)) will feature the first of our brand new War Rules: Undead Horde! In Undead Horde Alliance Wars all Heroes - on defensive and offensive teams - receive a skeleton minion. As with all new features, we will be carefully monitoring the results as well as your feedback. Please read more about our new War Rules here: Early Information on New War Rules [Part of The Beta Beat V32 & V33] and join the discussion h…

[Ultra]

@Dan7 Thanks for that link. Now this war support is interesting. Too bad, I don’t have those ideal heroes to enhance the skeleton minion.

[Dan7]

Time for Freya to shine once more!

[TGW]

Some proposed changes, I can read here and immediately decide whether I like it or not based on the information given.

This one? I’ll have to wait and see for myself first.

I suspect it will probably benefit defense more than offense, and it will probably be annoying, because part of my offensive strategy is usually killing the minion spawners before they spawn minions… and in this case that won’t be possible. But! Since attackers get minions too, it’s possible I could actually work this to my advantage…

I’ll withhold judgment for now. I’m sure my Noor will have some fun with this, at least.

[Guvnor]

Yes. Clarified in post #2

[Goguma]

Question,
For example, the owner HP is 1000, and then the minion 's HP will be 100 which is 10% of owner.
If the owner got damaged and down the HP to 500, and then the minion appeared, how much the minion’s HP. Is it 10% of 1000 or 500?

[JGE]

So who would be better in my defence with this new take on war … I currently have left to right:

Costume Magni
Telluria
Clarissa
Jean-Francois
Costume Joon

@Guvnor Am I better taking out JF and replacing with Red Hood to throw more minions? Both are at +9

[Vikingblood80]

@Goguma

Is it 10% of 1000 or 500?

I assume to a wide degree of certainty that it is 1000. Minions health always refers to max health of the hero.

[Guvnor]

Yes. It is % of base HP.

Health boosting also doesn’t change the amount of health of the minion.

[Guvnor]

@Guvnor

Additional clarifications:

• Minions are based on the heroes base HP. Neither damage, Health Boosting nor Health Reduction affect minion HP.
• Minions DO trigger faster as there are less defenders. If 5 defenders, triggers every 5 turns. If 3 then every 3 turns. If 1 then triggers each turn.
• Still only able to have a max of 3 minions up at a time. These minions WILL displace another minion if there are already 3 in play
• Bera and Kvasir WILL block the application of the minions.

Added some additional clarifications

[Guvnor]

@JGE

Am I better taking out JF and replacing with Red Hood to throw more minions? Both are at +9

I would say no as the Undead Minions will replace the Fox minions if the get to 3 in play.

[ALI_G]

why than in game is written every 5 turns? This language means is not n ( number defending heroes )?

[keisone]

I may be a little bit out of topic, but I’d like to ask if in this upcoming war is already sat the “stronger element” rule. I mean, I’m not sure if it’s going to be a fixed rule that changes the strong element every war (or 2).

[ArktikaTF]

Dear Guvnor, this acceleration in the appearance of minions will only be due to a decrease in the number of defenders. So reducing the number of heroes in the attack team will not speed up the appearance of minions? Am I understanding correctly?

[Exceleron]

So for clarity, the rule applies every “n” turns, where “n” = number of defense heroes.

Since both sides gets minions every “n” turns, does “n” solely apply to defense teams, or both?

For example, if I’m attacking and I have 2 heroes, and my opponent has 3 heroes, do the minions spawn every 2 turns or every 3?

I’m assuming every 3 (based on defense team “n”), but just want to be sure.

Thanks all

[Exceleron]

@ArktikaTF

So reducing the number of heroes in the attack team will not speed up the appearance of minions? Am I understanding correctly?

Looks like we’re asking the same question, you just worded it better @ArktikaTF

[g8slord]

So if it scales up as defense members die, I could see an increase in losing battles because of running out of time. If you have a high health last hero standing, they get a 10% heal per turn. if you don’t have snipers left this could be an issue. Maybe I read that wrong though on the scaling.

[ArktikaTF]

At first I thought it was simple, but after the explanation that Guvnor gave, a lot of questions arose. Now I’m trying to figure out what the point is in such a proportional acceleration of the appearance of minions, if they will appear in both defenders and attackers. Where is the logic? Help me understand, friends! ))))))

[Exceleron]

@ArktikaTF

Now I’m trying to figure out what the point is in such a proportional acceleration of the appearance of minions, if they will appear in both defenders and attackers.

I’m not sure, but on the surface, assuming minion production is based on defense team numbers only, if you have four heroes and the defender has two, and minions are coming every two turns, this could turn into a pure minion beat down. The defense team would have to be brutally efficient to overcome four offensive heroes and up to twelve minions.

[Vesko]

Is can grimble remove this minions?