Nephalem(ish) Rift

I’ve been trying to think of a perfect ‘late gamer content’ that could be succesful in E&P world, both rewarding the long-term bored players looking for just any challenge (hi) but at the same time not leave the intermediate+ players feel excluded and ripped off rewards.

The game which handled the end game content perfectly for me is Diablo III + Reaper of Souls, and their Nephalem Rift (and Greater Rift) concept. Once you finish the storyline, you get access to this new portal where after farming certain set of items from various game bosses, you can try your chances to fight in time-limited battle against certain amount of mobs and bosses, with a neat mechanic of constantly increasing difficulty the more difficult stages you beat within the time limit. Of course, the higher you are the better the rewards, but if you overestimate yourself and not finish in time, the rewards are cut. Similar concept to E&P titans, although with cap set far higher, so high that even best equipment won’t be enough to finish the highest levels… but if you are determined and push your luck, you may keep trying for bragging rights. More about it here - https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Nephalem_Rift (I hope you do not consider an old PC game a competitor and won’t flag this, I just think it visualizes the idea well)

I think it wouldn’t be that difficult to introduce something of similar concept in E&P. Of course, rename it to avoid lawsuits from Blizzard :wink: This would be an alternative game mode, accessible after collecting certain set of farmable items dropping from various bosses (maybe on difficult levels of S2/S3 but not obtainable with tickets), where you would enter a PVM game and your job was to:

  • kill as many of them as possible, with each coming wave being stronger / bigger in numbers
  • deal with any randomly spawned bosses, maybe even some heroes serving as bosses or assisting the regular monsters on some stages
  • kill ‘little titans’ like what we had with the Ursena fight at the end of S2
  • whatever else!

Now either set a time limit to kill all (could grow with difficulty) or just leave it for the difficulty to balance it out.

How to make it more interesting:

  • rare spawn mobs/chests which would drop some of the rarer game’s specialties (of course the higher you are the better the chances of meeting them) - Diablo had a neat concept of Goblins, that were rare to find and even when met - difficult to beat the hell out of them because little rats were moving at speed of light; could be something similar here - chest/rare mob must be taken down in particular turn or it just disappears/devalues/spits an ugly effect your way slowing you down
  • randomly applying certain ‘special rules’ we know from the seasonal events, Atlantis levels, Valhalla events, weekly tournaments color restrictions etc. Yea, it may feel a bit chaotic at first, but since this would be accessible to players who have seen it all already, I don’t think that’s an issue. Only players would need to know what rule they are about to enter before selecting their rosters… This is where RNG actually helps making things interesting.
  • roster wise, it opens a lot of additional possibilities… randomly not allowing certain class or color is easy way to go, but could also allow to select not 5 but 10 heroes and you’d be allowed to swap between them (eg. when they die or when you prepare for a ‘small titan’ fight). Hardcore solution: separate rifts for max 3, max 4 and max 5 star heroes, with different requirements, costs and rewards
  • extra bonus for greedy developers :wink: there’s a way to boost your Rift attempt with gold / gems to have a shot at a bit better rewards at the end. But don’t make free attempts completely irrelevant (like free PoV vs pass PoV). Add maybe an extra roll for ascension mat and make other ‘paid’ rewards something cosmetic, like further customization of your profile, or an extra background when someone is raiding against you, or an avatar, or banner. There’s already too much p2w recently. If you want to make money out of it, allow an option to enter the “rift” for gems if someone doesn’t want to farm ‘keys’ from bosses, or gem cost to skip the cooldown.
  • daily/weekly/seasonal leaderboards of who beat the highest level and in what time. Just for bragging rights.

To make it work, a balancing formula to the difficulty could be a nightmare to craft. But I think one time effort with perhaps some polishing to keep it interesting afterwards for increasing lifespan is worth it.

It would need balance on the ‘accessibility’ as well. It can’t be a once in a month or even once in a week event. But I can appreciate we shouldn’t be allowed to farm it all day long (because then the % for good rewards would need to be close to zero). Maybe the higher the level the more WE they cost, and similar to skipping chest waiting time, there would be a limit to how often you can visit the ‘rift’. But at least once a day would be a must if it was a ‘late gamer ultimate challenge’ oriented feature. Alternatively, create a separate flag for it so it is not WE dependent.

Now in Diablo you are allowed to take friends with you to beat the hell out of the rift. How awesome would that be but how extremely difficult to implement here. Not to derail this idea - but I also made a topic about something similar in the past… probably not everything aged well, but it’s not about the details anyway, just about the idea.

[if there are any Diablo 3 players that think Nephalem Rift was in fact terrible concept, I mean not to argue with you! I found it interesting being pretty casual player there and never thinking of climbing the ladder, just couple months of play, so I only use it as a reference to an existing concept of difficulty grinding].

I like this concept. But prefer something with endless waves of monsters.
And let them to drop legends coins (like seadragons on AR or chests on CE).

They you will have a way to farm legends coins all month along.

Like survival mode? Yup, could see something like that also, but also scalable to my choice so I don’t need to beat 20 stages of mobs popping up from one tile until I get to something that’s really challenging for the heroes I took.

The Rift concept is similar in the mob waves being more and more difficult to beat as you progress - just ‘endless’ here not being that one endless fight, but once you beat the level 10 within the set time limit (say 15 minutes) of slightly increasing difficulty with each stage, you can proceed to level 11, 12 or 13 with stronger mobs and bosses, slightly better chance at good rewards and same 15 minutes to kill them… until you reach like level 40 which with your current set of heroes is the highest you can beat, and need to grind hard to make it within those 15 (or 25 because of difficulty) minutes but man, isn’t seeing your name in the 96th place of the leaderboards for the remainder of the week and a huge banner in your profile saying “The Conqueror” worth such grinding. :wink:

Diablo III player myself; love the concept and the idea of implementing some variant here!

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I do not have diablo 3) My latest Diablo was 2).

Maybe. But if you can beat 19 waves by autoplay and get some legends coins (for 1-2 pulls) - maybe it worth.

Me too! Love that game, wish they would release new stuff for it
I used to run mods on it :slight_smile:

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Loved the idea , although i dont end to understand the need of items to access to that place .
I hope they can implement a survival mode like this with good rewards

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Yup, I just wouldn’t want for it to become one of those features where it makes no sense to play harder version because the easier version gives you better rewards for the same cost…

That autofarming is what kills the PVM right now imho. Perhaps if I was encouraged to farm on diffcult levels of Valhalla, I would have more fun than constantly spending my WE on easy levels for 3 WE just because that’s most effective. I know, no one forces me to be ‘optimal’, but if additional efforts leave you at disadvantage, then you know, something is wrong.

You know, just to 1) add some lore to this silly game 2) be it a bit of an effort to get there, not just something you get for free but also not something behind paywall or requiring week of grinding.

But of course, that’s just like a small detail, could have as well been not there. It just was cool in Diablo because I had to kill some random guys I wouldn’t normally be killing at all, and it allowed to enjoy the normal game in some more depth.

Played Diablo 1 in battle.net for many years.
Played Diablo 2 + LoD in battle.net for more than 10 years.
Played Diablo 3… well, that sort of Diablo that is not a real Diablo, for around a couple of years.

The nephalem rifts are the perfect example of what was needed to give players the feeling of having something to do in a game which is poor in design.

Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 were focused on grinding and dueling.
In Diablo 1 and 2 we had duels, clans, wars.

There’s a thing that should be implemented: the trading capability, at least within the alliance. Because I already know the answer (trading means less money), they could put some sort of criterias (e.g. only members that are in the ally from at least 60 days can trade).

This is, in fact, another issue from Diablo 3: they didn’t give the trade capability, even if it was something that has pushed hard with Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. The reason was pretty much the same as here: they created the Action House to have people spend money. The result was terrible, but all the game was designed around that.

So, I’m not really against your idea. It’s mostly that I would like to have the game more cooperative than “single player”.
The Nephalem Rifts have marked the down of Diablo 3 eheheh

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