Mysterious Tonics Missing

[Mizikie]

I have been playing this game for quite some time now and I’ve noticed that the mysterious tonics seem to be missing. Is this a bug or are they the rarest of the ascensions. I can’t seem to get any of my nature characters pass their final Ascension. Someone please let me know what am I doing wrong.

[Robkirky1]

I have 5, been waiting for 9 months for one more

[Hrairoo]

You should be getting one tonic every shrikewood. Have you been able to complete the final level on that quest? Tonics are my rarest ascension item as well. I’ve had a total of 7 in about 6 months. My most recent one surprised me today actually…in a platinum hero chest.

I’m not meaning to brag, but people don’t believe without proof.

[Oliz]

It appeared rare to get than others, so it seems to me too, but that is looking at just a few people’s perspective , the RNG may make it abundant in some quarters, a number of my alliance members had their 5*green heroes too waiting at 3/70 for a very long time including mine, yet a few had ascended, the surest source is shrikewood, all others are random. On the other hand, without ample data, it’s scarcity compared to other mats may just be a bias perception.

[Ride4Life]

I don’t know about bias perception. It seems to be pretty much everyone is short on mats in one way or another.

[Garanwyn]

Low probability random events produce weird streaks, but there’s no rhyme or reason to it. It can be super frustrating though. Darts are my need item right now, and I’m relatively flush with Tonics.

@Hrairoo has the right suggestion: keep doing the rare quests every time they’re up. Shrikewood will net you a shield and tonic each time it comes around. They’re on a fixed schedule, which you can find on the forum.

Beyond that, accelerating your chests with gems is a relatively cheap way to increase the rate of getting elemental chests, which often have 4* mats in them.

Fighting tougher titans can also increase the number of rolls for ascension materials you get. Getting up to loot tier IX gets you a third ascension material roll per titan, which is huge over time.

[zephyr1]

Tim said in the AMA that they’re totally random, and that they’ve made no attempt to alter which ones you get or the distribution of them, and haven’t altered drop rates for any particular source after release.

So it’s all just RNG being RNG, like @Garanwyn said, which produces streaky results.

My personal distribution of 4* color specific mats in 9 months varies from a low of 8 (Tabards) to a high of 15 (Telescopes).

[Garanwyn]

@Vixx Here, we interpret “totally random” as uniform 1/7. While it might make sense to weight them by # of 5* of each color, that doesn’t appear to be what they have done.

[princess1]

I’ve actually received a number of mysterious tonics from the Mystic vision.

[Mojo1]

I’m barely past the 1 year mark and I just got my 6th tonic last week-from a diamond raid chest. I couldn’t complete Shrikewood for a long while when I started though (ftp/c2p).

[Mizikie]

Im not the only one on my team that has this problem. Its been 7 months and only 4 tonics 3 of which are from the quest. I know some on my team have a problem with getting 5* heroes which I have received quite a few at least 5 of them are HOM. Im not trying to complain but 5 nature heroes with 4 tonics seems like a couple of years wait. Im just curious if this is an all around issue.

[Mizikie]

@Mojo1 thats very unfortunate i hope your luck changes to redeem my hopes

[Schemerlamp]

I also got 9 tonicums in total throughout my time of playing while I got 20 of the Darts. With such low drop rate you get differences like this.

[Mojo1]

Well like I said, part of it was it took months just to be able to get the “guaranteed” tonics. Now that I’m in diamond tier and hitting a Lot harder on Titans I’m sure it won’t take nearly as long to get 6 more. Gotta say though, when you’re struggling to put a decent team together and Lianna is sitting there waiting at 3/70 for 4 months, it hurts. Lol. All part of the process though, I think. I’ve got Hatter waiting now and I love him but imagine maxing Everyone you have right now…what fun would that be? And let’s not start on the P2W thing…or should we? Lol. It’s slower than I would like but it’s a fine line to walk from SG’s point of view. Too fast and it would break the game. Imo.

[Wharflord]

It’s fairly common for players to have an item or two they are short on due to random variance. I’m short on telescopes and trap tools for instance. That’s just the nature of randomness, even if you roll a 4* mat there is no guarantee it’s the one you want.

[capertillar]

lol, ive only gotten 2 tonics in 6 months. but ive gotten 10 telescopes. oh well.

[Mizikie]

Can someone check the drop rate for tonics I’ve been playing this game for at least seven months and has spent lots of money and now I’m starting to get bored because I can’t level up my nature Heroes. Please fix.

[zephyr1]

During the recent AMA, the SGG Staff said that the drop rates for ascension mats are random for each item within a rarity group, but that that ends up meaning the number any player gets of one item vs. another can be extremely uneven.

They even said they have the same frustrations as players themselves.

They seemed to be confident in the drop rates.

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@Kerridoc

4. Why is the game designed to make it so difficult to get ascension mats? What would make you think that the drop rate was too low or too high?

We had this question last year. [ Petri: we have it every day!]

Big thing is to make sure that the game doesn’t end too quickly. This is a pretty heavy-handed way of making sure the game doesn’t end too quickly, so we’ll continue adding new way to get materials, but adding more mats into the game without breaking the essential experience for new players. But the pace is a bit slower than we’d like. Doing well in the new Raid Tournaments [formerly called weekly raid challenges] is one of the new avenues for new mats.

We haven’t changed the odds of ascension material drops.

We haven’t made anything worse, but if you have a dry spell, I know how that feels. The odds are very very low for some items, so it’s not surprising that you see dry spells. Working on new features that have more way to get rare mats. The newest way are the Raid Tournaments, which hopefully goes full live in about a month. The third build just went to beta yesterday, and we hope that’s the last test build.

Is there a variable controlling how mats drop? Like this month they might be less frequent and next month more frequent? Is there a wave of how they drop?

As far as I know, no.

This is like the question of whether boards are random.

There are fixed percentages for titans, for rare titans, and so on. It’s very unlikely that we have changed them; we usually haven’t changed the probabilities since the feature has launched. For example, rare titans and chest, as far as I know these have had the same odds since the beginning, and they shouldn’t be affected by the position of the moon or anything. [Laughter] The odds of pulling 4* items are so low it’s hard to see any patterns, but we haven’t changed anything.

Petri : And we all play the game here, and we all have the same frustration.

Kira : So someone here (not naming names) has fewer yellow heroes and like 30 magic orbs, and that’s all she gets. But for me it’s, “I need your orbs, please!”

Tim : There is no hidden “fail safe” which is how you can get players who have some weird streak, some unbelievable run, but we decided from the beginning not to go that route. There are a lot of issues trying to make such a system good for everyone, so if you get a 4* mat you just get whatever random mat comes up [without reference to what you need or have in inventory]. So players get some really interesting [runs].

So to get the super explicit statement that we can quote over and over again on the Forum: there is no way in which the game adapts to the heroes you have, the ascension materials you have, the things that you need, your spending habits, or any other criteria being used to filter the randomness?

Tim: Yeah, in my alliance, for example (and I haven’t actually ever said that I work for SGG, and have been playing with them from the beginning) — there’s a belief that if you do summons one by one, you’ll get better heroes. I haven’t commented. It just doesn’t affect anything — but…what can you say.

Kira: What can you say? A lot of it is people it may be not really understanding the way statistics actually work. The analogy we would like to use to explain when players write to us, is if you’ve flipped a coin 10 times, and 9 times it was tails, it doesn’t mean that tenth time has to be heads. It just doesn’t work that way.

[Mizikie]

Thats sounds about right. Lol and congrats!

[Mizikie]

It’s about damn time Springvale is dropping a tonic Shrikewood is in a month or so