[MASTER] Remove/ Get Rid of Season 1 (S1 / Vanilla) heroes from {X} summons portal

Devs only care about getting your money. They will never remove S1 heroes from event pulls. That’s one reason I no longer give them my $. Greed.


So…I’ve decreased my spending by A LOT. Without looking, I’m guessing that I have spent 10-20% of what I used to the last couple months.

The good news is…my whole attitude has changed. I don’t care enough to get upset about what I pull, or more appropriately, what I don’t pull. The truth is, I have so many heroes to max, adding any more would only increase the workload and my time in game.

The bad news is…I haven’t pulled any new ninjas, s3, or s4 heroes during that span. But I’ve pulled three s1 heroes. Haha

This just further proves that the people leaving the game and my spending decrease is well warranted.

My plan is to keep playing, without spending any more than I do, now, until I have all of my heroes maxed. That should give the developers several months to figure out a way to create some hope and keep the non-whale vets of the game interested.

So far, I still think the devs have completely ruined a good game, simply by keeping s1 heroes in the pool for s3 and s4 portals. There’s just no point in making those pulls, just to land a dupe.

Question for the moderators…

One of you merged my original thread into this one. While I do understand the desire for organization, my topic was, in my opinion, unique enough to stand alone.

My complaint is s1 heroes being included in the pools for s3 and s4 portals. I do not have a complaint regarding special event summons and/or seasonal summons portals.

Given that likeminded individuals will support the threads and posts that they agree with, thus providing insight for the devs to see which matters they’re players are most interested in, isn’t it a bit counterproductive to lump unique matters into one watered down, general topic thread?

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Short answer? No.

If we left every thread that was slightly different from a master thread, there would literally be dozens, if not hundreds, of threads on a same topic.

Besides, the point on this subject is pretty moot. Devs said in their latest AMA that vanilla heroes formed the basis of their portal design and they had no plans to change this into the future.


I’m not quite grasping some of the language, so let me be sure that I understand.

Vanilla heroes = classic or s1 heroes?

Also, Idk what “AMA” is, but I’m assuming it’s some form of official announcement.

So, if I’m understanding you, the devs have stated that, because they initially intended it this way, they refuse to adjust.

I’m glad the world, or even people in general, doesn’t operate with such rigidity. Heck, we’d all still be soiling ourselves. Haha

While this is not good news, I think it does still support my challenge to combining threads under a very general topic heading.

Everyone has different concerns. Some more rational/reasonable than others. Reading through this entire thread has made me chuckle a few times at the absurdity of some of the suggestions. Likewise, I’m sure some think my suggestions are unworthy of consideration…if they ever even stumble upon them in this massive thread.

I’m not trying to be critical of the job you folks do. Just suggesting that there might be a happy medium between “hundreds” of similar threads and “one”.

That said, the devs have spoken and, yet again, show their loyal players/spenders that they’re really not too interested in their concerns.


Yup, vanilla = season one heroes (basic ones)

Ama = ask me anything. Really their latest one wasn’t so much and AMA and more a QA post. Can read it here: Q&A with Game Designers - Spring 2021 Edition (Answers)


Good read. Pretty informative. There’s a lot there that I couldn’t quite follow, but that’s likely because there’s really very little that I’m unsatisfied with in the game. Most of the frustrating elements are filed under “necessary evils”, for me.

I’ve said it, many times. It’s been a great game. I’m just finding myself with more and more “buyers remorse” as developments are introduced at a pace that is more rapid than the improvement of my roster.

I’ll never be one of the whales that can spend thousands a month, but I’ve spent more than a grand a month on more than one occasion and I spent several hundred almost regularly, until I noticed that I was only wasting my money on duplicate S1 heroes.

If the devs truly believe that losing players like myself “would be a shame”, this one issue has to be addressed. I’ve taken both of my accounts (P2P and C2P) out of alliances and am just going through the motions, hoping for some kind of resolution to this problem.

I won’t tread water forever.

Thanks for the link.

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In my opinion, this is the best change to the game that still hasn’t been implemented as it benefits everybody, new and old players. New players don’t benefit from outdated heroes and old players get new heroes instead of dupes of all the S1 heroes they already have. S1 heroes are garbage and people pull from new portals because they are excited to get new heroes…nothing bums them out more than getting Joon from an S4 portal. We’ve all been there unfortunately.


I wouldn’t go as far as saying s1 heroes are garbage. I still use MANY of them, regularly. However, even with costumes and emblems, they still lack in comparison to the highly sought after s3, s4, and ninja heroes.

Ya know. Just the ones that a 4yr. player that won’t spend a grand a month can’t pull because, on the rare occasion that he does pull a 5*, it’s a s1 hero.

It’s definitely a matter that needs addressed. The Q&A mentioned above seems to suggest there may be some kind of attention being paid to this matter, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

Money hungry swine will never change this unless sheeple stop spending.

Another $100 (so far) on s4 and no new heroes.

BUT!!! At least I didn’t draw a s1 5*. Haha

My playing time is down. My spending is all but completely isolated to s4, now. And I’m still finding motivation to continue tough to come by.


I do not agree with the fact that the heroes of S1 are morally outdated and are good for nothing. Not so long ago, I held a very large tournament in my alliance, the main condition for participation in which was the use of ONLY S1 heroes. I gave the participants of the tournament the most difficult and the best defenses as goals. The strength of the targets for attacks was above 4700 with the strongest heroes of the new seasons and HOTM, and my fighters were not allowed to use any other hero except S1 heroes. And the guys coped very coolly, showing a huge percentage of wins. And following the results of the tournament, I want to tell you unequivocally that the heroes of S1 are still relevant and competitive. The main thing is that the player, as the Russians say, has hands growing from the right place, and not from…))))))

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Decided to spend $30 more. Landed Richard. So sick of this.

You are correct. They are not useless. I use MANY of them every day. The problem is, those of us who have been playing the game since its inception and have supported the growth and development of the game by spending A LOT of money, have been thanked by having to increase our monthly spending in order to land new heroes.

There are plenty…PAH-LENTY…of ways to land S1 heroes, if you’re still chasing them.

This is the third month that I have spend more than a hundred (each month) since landing a new S4 hero, but I’ve pulled FOUR S1 heroes during that span.

Therefore, the odds are playing out, as stated. Which is the problem.

I just spent $400 in the last three months for heroes I already have.

Where is my incentive to continue?

I used to spend a lot more. If the devs don’t address this problem, I will eventually stop spending and stop playing.

I know. I know. Big deal. It just sucks. I really did enjoy this game, a lot. I guess I just gotta get comfortable with the idea of filing this under the “good while it lasted” category.

But lesson learned. I’ll never support SG or Zynga, again.

You’re playing a game with odds same or worse as a casino in every aspect of it. I’m sorry for you, but you should go f2p or even quit, because what you want will never happen.

I’ve played about 2,5y and I quit spending 1,5y ago when I realized it is absolutely not worth it.
My reasoning behind this is I asked myself how much am I willing to spend for best hero in the game and how much would it affect my gaming experience. Lets pick Alfrike or Morel for example. I realized I’m not willing to pay even 20 dollars for one of them. If I was guaranteed (100% summon odds) I might buy one of them for 10 dollars. Summon odds in portals unfortunately are not that good, not even 1% to get hero you want. I do have a roster thats good enough for me due to summons in past. 5* heroes I have some hotms, 3xS2, 1xS3 and elem defs down heroes for all elements. All S1 heroes from tc20 & ha10.

After all my decision to stop spending was quite easy and I’ve been glad I decided to do so. It is too expensive, odds are not worth it and S1 base heroes are not tempting.


I have started another account (about 3-4 months ago) that is extremely c2p. It’s really not that fun. I see the almost absolute necessity to spend in order to progress. Yes, I’m less patient than others, but after flying through the first several s1 provinces, I have stalled about 3/4 of the way through and probably won’t progress until I can land some better heroes…then wait for the mats to ascend them.

The devs clearly aren’t going to do what I suggested, but they do acknowledge it as a problem and have stated that there may be ways to address it through other means. I guess I’m trying to hold on to see what that looks like.

Either way, the message I…and others like me…am receiving is “thanks for four years of support. Now spend more, or get out”.

F2p isn’t really an option if you enjoy being competitive.

Oh…also…I’ve come away empty handed from the casinos, for sure. But not 3-4 times in a row.

You’re smarter than me. Haha. I’m one of those hopeful morons that ride out the storms, in hopes of finding Shangri-la over the next horizon.

It’s just disgusting. I’ve dropped in every category. I used to crack the top 100 fairly regularly in trophy count. I used to land top 5% in 5* tournaments, cracking top 1% more than just occasionally.

Now, the only way to do that is to further open my wallet. I guess you’d need to see my spending history and compare it to my progress to see why it’s disgusting. But I can put it this way…

I used to compete quite well on a fixed budget. That budget slowly became insufficient, starting around the time that S3 was released. Once I realized it, it became pointless to keep spending that budgeted amount. I’ve since cut that budget to about 50%, focusing almost exclusively on the s4 portal.

And my success rate for landing new heroes is far below 50% of what it was when I was spending more.

It’s almost like they don’t want me to spend.

But I realize that, as long as some players are spending, regardless of the shrinking odds of landing NEW heroes, there’s no incentive for them to address this matter.

Case in point…”Thanks for four years of helping to create this huge cash cow, but you’re not important to us, anymore.”

I’ve significantly cut back on spending, i don’t buy deals or use gems at atlantis, costumes, challenge (unless it’s new), legends, S3, seasonal, or anything that has been around a while because w/ the rate of power creep, or jump, it just keeps accelerating. it’s not worth spending money on the older heros and events w/ the way the new heros stats, mechanics, passive, family, etc, are just ramping up.

i agree, this is like they are shooting themselves in the foot, many in my alliance are kind of in same boat, if they spend (many are F2P) it’s usually just for new stuff. i track my pulls, and seeing the precipitous drop off since the acceleration of new OP hero’s is really apparent. Sure they’ll get money from whales to open the mat chests, or those that just chase hero’s, but this new direction from SG has made it much easier transitioning to C2P

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