Margaret are not breaking Khufus chained attack

[BenderWasTaken]

I don’t know if this is a bug or intended since the specials are worded differently but…

Hanitras dodge breaks Khufus chained attack and Margarets dodge don’t?

[Pompitous]

Just tested it:

[StillVictor]

Question, did dodge break Khufu’s chain or did they all dodge his attack? Maybe it’s just the way it’s presented, but once the first one dodges the attack, it should end there. The others wouldn’t have a chance to dodge.

[Pompitous]

First one hit dodged

As much damage as Khufu delivers
I would expect Margaret’s dodge to function close to the 90% range.

@PlayForFun
Breaking the chain, is clearly not happening

[BenderWasTaken]

I get the same result. But with Hanitra, as soon as someone dodges, the chain is broken.

[BenderWasTaken]

That was my hopes that she would have quite high dodge %. Do you know when she cap and hit that 90%?

[Pompitous]

No… she has one of those vague descriptions that leave us guessing.

Margaret was never popular enough to push for answers. But I always liked her and used her to great effect on offense.

After many matches, my best guess is that the dodge has a direct relationship to potential HP loss. Meaning if the damage would be equivalent to 50% of total HP, you have a 50% chance to dodge it.
Min 30%
Max 90%

However, I really have no idea. But I think that’s close enough for an estimated gauge

[PlayForFun]

The Dodge skill is a but different for Hanitra and Margaret:

@PlayForFun

All allies gets +45% chance to dodge Special Skills for 3 turns

@zephyr1

The caster and nearby allies have from +30% to 90% chance of dodging special attacks that do damage. The higher the damage from the special is, the higher the chance to dodge it.

Khufu is dealing two effects:

@PlayForFun

• Deals 450% damage to the target.
• The attack chains through all the enemies who are adjacent to any hit enemy.
• The target gets -41% defense against Fire, and further -4% decrease every time they are hit during 4 turns.

Maybe the defense down ailment is Dodged and the damage part is not ?

[BenderWasTaken]

Could be? Margaret dodges damage though but she doesn’t break the chain as you can see in @Pompitous videos earlier here. The animations vary a bit as well.

When Hanitra is dodging you can really see the attack chain through your heroes one by one. First hero hit, second hero hit, third hero dodge and thereby the chain is broken.

With Margaret it looks more like a hit all and no visual chain. And then when the chain is done the dodging occurs.

[Pompitous]

@PlayForFun

Maybe the defense down ailment is Dodged and the damage part is not ?

All heroes that dodge…take no damage!

Here is @Guvnor being credited with a solution:

@Guvnor

Special skills are processed / executed in the order they are written.

There is a thread somewhere that expands on that. But I’m having problems locating it right now…

When I watch Khufu’s animation, it looks like
the second written part:

@PlayForFun

The attack chains through all the enemies who are adjacent to any hit enemy.

Is the first thing that happens…
After that everything else, including damage is applied. Which would be a contradiction for the attack chain since the adjacent enemy has to first… be "hit"
as per the description.

And also contradicts the written order.

So I chalk that up to just animation voodoo.

Regardless, the dodge worked but the chain continues. That shouldn’t be happening.

Is there other dodge skills that do not work?

[PlayForFun]

@Pompitous

And also contradicts the written order.

The execution and written order can be different like here for Zila Lei:

@TTT

ello guys,

A quick question here… I recently maxed Zila Lei and been using her for war depth and noticed that if one enemy is left and the enemy has a defense down higher than 34% then the 1st attack from the SS has a higher damage than the 2nd attack…
Is this expected behavior?

As per the card description, the 34% defense down happens after the double damage is received. So why is it that the 2nd attack deals less damage? I am assuming its because the lesser defense down applied after the 1st hit… but that should happen after both attacks are done.

So maybe it can happen here too.
I am still waiting for @Petri 's answer about this.

@Pompitous

Regardless, the dodge worked but the chain continues. That shouldn’t be happening.

If the ailment effect is dodged and stopped, then the damage part can still can spread.

Anyway I have asked Staff to check this out.

[u2371]

The problem is what does “hit enemy” mean ?

Rogue evade the direct damage but receive ailment. Does that count as “be hit” ?

I think SG have to clarify this in the description.

[Petri]

Thank you for the report, we’ll investigate this issue here.

[Drops]

Same report as here:

Jade dodge vs Khufu chain

As my understanding, after a target dodge a hit, the chain should stop. Here is what happens: Jade is activated at 3rd charge to give dodge (75%) to all allies; Khufu fire after that, target Topaz in the middle of the attacking team; Topaz dodges The chain continues (2 left and 2 right further), the two targets on the left take the hit and the two targets on the right dodge. See the picture below: [Screenshot_2022-08-30-18-26-54-33_99c04817c0de5652397fc8b56c3b3817] [Screenshot_2022-08-30-…

Afaik rogue dodge does not break the chain neither.

[PlayForFun]

Some further information from Staff:

[Pompitous]

Did they fix Jade? Just wondering if Margaret, whom struggles for a seat at the table from birth, will get similar treatment. Or if the special will be reworked.

If she can’t break a chain… and now with Anne too, I can’t see much value other than SE

Margaret could be one of those cool heroes that gain value like Grimble did. Dodge is being offered as a solution to Anne. And hers is very fast. Though currently worthless

[PlayForFun]

It is not included in V52 final Beta release notes.