🏵 Mana generation tile reduction with mana troops and new mana talent bonus?

_John_Doe · July 22, 2019, 9:15am

Did anyone make a calculation for mana generation tile reduction for a 20 talent hero with full mana bonus added?

meaning:

A hero with maxed 20 talent = maxed bonus mana generation,
How much mana troop lvl is needed to decrease by 1 tile needed to mana up, per mana speed?
Which classes are debatable for discussion?

Anybody has an input already?

Thanks.

zephyr1 · January 16, 2019, 9:25am

@_John_Doe I think this thread was at least attempting to answer that:

_John_Doe · January 16, 2019, 9:25am

Thx. Will look into it.

_John_Doe · August 2, 2019, 5:58am

And this answers in most part the question. So there is hope to work both ways and get that 1 tile reduction faster (if only I can get 4* troops )

New Mana Troops goals after +20 Class Talents?

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Thought I’d do the math and try to summarize the effects of combining troops and class bonuses. The brief summary is as someone said earlier, if you have maxed mana troops class bonuses generally don’t make a difference. However, class bonuses do lower the troop level required to hit certain tile # thresholds. Example being a Ranger/Rogue like Athena/Domitia with average mana speed. Instead of requiring level 23 mana troops to require 9 tiles to charge, they only require their class level 8 mana bonus plus level 17 mana troops.

So much of this is situational, but if you get a class bonus it could definitely lower the troop level you need to drop the number of tiles needed to charge a special.

The dumb part is most of the mana bonuses don’t come until level 19/20. So maybe in a year this will become useful?

_John_Doe · January 16, 2019, 10:51am

Class talent lvl 8 + troop lvl 17 >>> most achievable for rogues and rangers

Average rangers:
5* : RedHood , Athena, Gregorion,
4* : Buddy, Tiburtus
3* : Isshtak

Average rogues:
5* : Domitia, Inari, Khiona
4* : Danzaburo, Guardian Jackal
3* : Carver, Dawa

tc20 are bolded

Rigs · January 16, 2019, 9:55am

*tc20 heros are bolded

20 characters

_John_Doe · January 16, 2019, 9:57am

indeed. thx Rigs

Loro · January 16, 2019, 10:40am

I dont understand… Class talent 8 for Domitia is 2%, troop lvl 11 is 9%. You need 12% to bring down one tile… IT would be troop 17 + 2% from ranger and rogue talent number 8

_John_Doe · January 16, 2019, 10:48am

You are right. I missread: for average, troop 17 stack with class 8 and troop 11 stacks with class 20 for 10 to 9 tiles reduction. bummer

Ty for correction it seems im not attentive this morning.

Rigs · January 16, 2019, 10:57am

Drink up

Taco_Overlord · August 14, 2020, 2:23pm

Trick question for the math geeks: Marie Therese has Slow mana, but I have level 21 mana troops and a 4% mana bonus for the pirate family. What can I do to get her to Average Mana (increase troops 2 more levels, get more family members?)

Grumpigamer · August 14, 2020, 2:37pm

You need a 34% mana bonus to get a slow hero (12 tiles) to average (9 tiles).

If you are running 3 pirates (4%) and 21 mana (11%) you are still 19% short.

Even with mana node on talent tree, level 29 mana troops and 5 pirates you come up short (31%). Sorry

The only way would be having a hero with a mana boost special skill active (24%)

jinbatsu · August 14, 2020, 2:58pm

Slow: 12 tiles
Avarage: 10 tiles

Slow hero to get 10 tiles, need 20% mana bonus.

Troop lvl 29 = 15%
Family 4 = 7%
Total: 22% (become default avarage with 10 tiles).

Or

Troop lvl 23 = 13%
Family 4 = 7%
Total: 20% (become default avarage with 10 tiles).

So you need Heroes family 4, because family 3 is 4%, need 1% more.

Taco_Overlord · August 14, 2020, 7:01pm

Thank you. I was going to spend money to get Kestral, so you just saved me some $$$

Taco_Overlord · August 14, 2020, 7:05pm

So, this 2nd option is completely workable

Grumpigamer · August 14, 2020, 9:11pm

Sorry got my tile numbers wrong with the 9 tiles. 10 is correct for average heroe