# đźŹµ Mana generation tile reduction with mana troops and new mana talent bonus?

Did anyone make a calculation for mana generation tile reduction for a 20 talent hero with full mana bonus added?

meaning:

1. A hero with maxed 20 talent = maxed bonus mana generation,
How much mana troop lvl is needed to decrease by 1 tile needed to mana up, per mana speed?
2. Which classes are debatable for discussion?

Anybody has an input already?

Thanks.

@_John_Doe I think this thread was at least attempting to answer that:

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Thx. Will look into it.

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And this answers in most part the question. So there is hope to work both ways and get that 1 tile reduction faster (if only I can get 4* troops )

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Class talent lvl 8 + troop lvl 17 >>> most achievable for rogues and rangers

Average rangers:
5* : RedHood , Athena, Gregorion,
4* : Buddy, Tiburtus
3* : Isshtak

Average rogues:
5* : Domitia, Inari, Khiona
4* : Danzaburo, Guardian Jackal
3* : Carver, Dawa

tc20 are bolded

*tc20 heros are bolded

20 characters

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indeed. thx Rigs

I dont understandâ€¦ Class talent 8 for Domitia is 2%, troop lvl 11 is 9%. You need 12% to bring down one tileâ€¦ IT would be troop 17 + 2% from ranger and rogue talent number 8

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You are right. I missread: for average, troop 17 stack with class 8 and troop 11 stacks with class 20 for 10 to 9 tiles reduction. bummer

Ty for correction it seems im not attentive this morning.

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Drink up

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Trick question for the math geeks: Marie Therese has Slow mana, but I have level 21 mana troops and a 4% mana bonus for the pirate family. What can I do to get her to Average Mana (increase troops 2 more levels, get more family members?)

You need a 34% mana bonus to get a slow hero (12 tiles) to average (9 tiles).

If you are running 3 pirates (4%) and 21 mana (11%) you are still 19% short.

Even with mana node on talent tree, level 29 mana troops and 5 pirates you come up short (31%). Sorry

The only way would be having a hero with a mana boost special skill active (24%)

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Slow: 12 tiles
Avarage: 10 tiles

Slow hero to get 10 tiles, need 20% mana bonus.

Troop lvl 29 = 15%
Family 4 = 7%
Total: 22% (become default avarage with 10 tiles).

Or

Troop lvl 23 = 13%
Family 4 = 7%
Total: 20% (become default avarage with 10 tiles).

So you need Heroes family 4, because family 3 is 4%, need 1% more.

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Thank you. I was going to spend money to get Kestral, so you just saved me some \$\$\$

So, this 2nd option is completely workable

Sorry got my tile numbers wrong with the 9 tiles. 10 is correct for average heroe