šŸ“Æ Lord Loki ā€“ New Season 3 Hero ā€“ 5* Ice/ Blue: Thoughts, Discussion & Summon Results with Feedback

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How many Lord Loki copies before you say, its too many?

13?

You can effectively use 12 for war, 2 per attack and never get bored :stuck_out_tongue:

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Alfrike needs 13.5 tiles to trigger her special skill. Her skill is very powerful, so it is acceptable that her mana speed is very slow. Mother North and Alberich have also powerful skills. They can revive already dead allies, and it is surely the game changer, so it is also acceptable that their skill needs 12 tiles. How about Lady of the Lake? If her skill is fired, enemies become almost doomed cause her minions make their mana cut. Her skill is powerful, so I understand that her mana speed is slow.

Then how about this Lord Loki thing? This hero can copy those very slow or slow skills with his average mana speed. He can use Alfrikeā€™s skill with 10 tiles (not 13.5). He can use MN, Alberich, and Lady Lakeā€™s skills with 10 tiles (not 12). If you add 23 level mana troop to Lord Loki, or 17 level mana troop and +19 emblems, you can use all those very powerful skills with only 9 tiles.

Iā€™m very worried about this weird situation. To get specific heroes and to max them, you spent huge money. And those heroesā€™ skills that earned with huge money can be copied with only 9 tiles? I donā€™t know. Most of my alliance members told me that Lord Lokiā€™s skill is too much. And I agree with them.

Iā€™m worried about the future of E&P. I love this game, but it is making me worried and also somewhat sad.

That is disgusting, I love it!

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If Mitsuko fires first, would Lord Loki be reflected by her if we target her?

My experience is that the attack from him follows the same color from the one he targets, so if he targets Mitsuko its a red elemental attack and therefore should not be reflected :slight_smile:

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Doesnā€™t really mean anything tbh, it still boils down to your boards. He is unpredictable on Def and is still subjected to your board on offence. I fought an alfrike on Def with my lord Loki and still managed to lose all 3 matches simply because my boards are incompetent.
And also lord Loki should be the least of your concerns. S4 will make you wish you have loki

My experience has been the oppositeā€¦ he hits as a blue hero, which makes him pair well with frida, especially if you hit say a Frigg or killhare type. I do believe heā€™d be reflected by mitsuko and would be surprised if he wasnā€™tā€¦ he even turns a lot of the specials animations he uses blue. Although when you target say, gm and burn a green tank, he is getting the benefit of gms extra damage vs green (but thatā€™s how the specials written that heā€™s copying, so makes sense)

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I think I will hunt for Mitsuko and do some tests :smile:
Regarding emblems, I went all attack route but why I still feel his hit is not strong enough lol :thinking:

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Loki is excellent for offense especially when raiding. You can basically choose which hero to duplicate providing they are not dead yet.

His tile damage would be secondary in my opinion as there are others with higher tile damage.

Against titans I am not sure. Does it get the titans skill as well? Especially against rare titans. :face_with_monocle:

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It is reflected - Loki copies the blue reflect but takes the damage

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My experience with loki is that when he sucks, he really sucks. People are gripping that he can copy slow/very slow skills on average speed and that makes him too OP, well whoop de freaking do. Bad boards can still really screw him up. Heā€™s a specialist hero like skadi, you cannot solely depend on them to win matches

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Well, he sucks like any other heroe sucks with a bad board. And obviously, we cannot depend on him only during a fight. Itā€™s always a matter of synergy, and board. Nothing new here.

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Yeah and yet people are making a big deal out of him because he has the ability to copy slow or very slow skills on average

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You are pretty wrong about it. I love to copy the hero skills that I need the most (let it it be also fast or average) and place them strategically:

I need a healer? Lets copy Ariel, Kunchen flanks. Wait, there is a buff on the enemy team, lets copy Finley wing. Or maybe a BK flank for the taunt? No, I need to copy Killhare wing because i have just copied Finley from the other wing. Or steal mana with Onatelā€™s skill to slow down a wing. Or maybe Heimdall went off as a tank, lets copy him as well!

Lord Loki is truly a magnificent hero that is soo fun and OP useful on offense that I cannot tell you: he can copy Frigg, Finley, BK, Killhare, Drake, Onatel, Kadilen, Odin - none of them are slow heroes

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My point here is people are making a huge fuss that he can copy slower skills than average and slow heroes on defence are being at a disadvantage with him around. That is not the case because heā€™s still subjected to the board. I also think him copying faster skills is a good thing too if that fast skill has some value to be copied

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Thatā€™s what balance him. Very useful against slower heroes, much less against faster.

When you bring Loki against top defences full of Friggs, Finleys, Jabber, Ninjas, odins, you essentially bring to the battle a slower version of them all.
With an average board, they will shot before you with no doubt, maybe even 2 or 3 before him.
No need to say thatā€™s not optimal.

So against top defences, or heroes you need him the most, he is at disadvantage.
Thatā€™s why he is more about fun and strategic, but not a top tier hero.

Must say too that he copy the specials, but not troop and emblems (and defence buff).
So your stealed skill could be much less impactful of their.

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What you wrote is true for any hero composition: Against top 4730ish defenses anything below ā€œbit-better-thanā€ average board is at disadvantage - no matter the attacking team you are bringing you would have a high chance of loosing. I am playing him with a l22 mana troop (23 in a few days) and in a 3-2 composition doesnā€™t feel that he is below those top notch heroes. On the contrary: i was just about to quit the game completely but he is just soo much fun that just because of him I decided to continue

Weā€™re not talking about Lokiā€™s other skill, villain swing.
Even though this skill wonā€™t be used 80% of the time, I feel this attack should be buffed to sniper range like 450%, because it will be easier for him on monthly events and regular farming quests. Plus 450% average sniper is still reasonable for what heā€™s doing. Not like weā€™re giving villain swing 1000% damage, that would be the ultimate troll move from SG

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Yes, it gets the titan skill as well.

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