Hello everyone I would like to understand what the exact difference between 8* and 6* titan loot is ??
I recently changed alliance and i went from top 2 to average Joe with my 3500 defence
Is it worth getting hammered by titans and in war I mean I’m always somewhere around 8th position such I could live with if the loot is worth it ??!
@Luckyclover666 In short, all of the A+ through C loot tiers on an 8* are two higher than a 6*. So a top spot A+ on a 6* is equivalent to a B on an 8*, and both get the same loot.
This guide explains in full how Titan loot tiers work:
(@Kerridoc @Rook @Coppersky Possible Merge of Topic)
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And it’s random so even if your not top scorer it’s possible to get A+ loot !! So it’s pointless to be in a strong alliance if you cannot generate top scores ? Better a little less but with. 3500
What would be a good alliance score for me having 3 teams of 3000+ mix matching depending on opponent but it’s like 3500 3300 and 3200 then for second round I have 2800 2500 and 2300 I feel I might have joined a to strong alliance I will only stay if in the end it’s worth it
If what you say means that only top 5 scores get loot that’s decent how come the last rare titan one of our lower team members got the telescope ???
I think you dont have a clear understanding of how loot works. Getting top score and A+ means you have a slightly better chance of getting rare items than A scores. A scores have a slightly better chance than Bs, and Bs slightly better than Cs.
Anyone can get rare items, and in fact i would expect that most of the time a lower player will get a rare item and the A+ would not get one. The lower players get the rolls for 29 players while A+ only gets rolls for 1.
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It’s kind of like this:
The best score you can get on a 5* (A+) will always give you less loot rolls than your worst score on a 9*. Higher is better here.
(You get a certain number of potential loot drops based on the number of Titan you defeat, and also based on the grade you get on that Titan, which determines your number of loot rolls; see the handy link @Zephyr1 posted.)
A 5* A+ Loot Tier counts as XIII (8), which only gives you two rolls toward ascension materials, vs 9* C Loot Tier IX (9) and above which gives you three rolls, per the link. (Please read the link carefully; RNG rules here as elsewhere, but I’ve enjoyed much more ascension material success at Titan’s 9* and above.) 
Edited to answer Bud.
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Good point, @bud. All loot rolls are merely chances. Higher tier=better chance. But all tiers have a low probability of getting rare mats—higher tiers just have a higher low chance.
On any given titan, a “C” could draw a telescope while the A+ gets garbage. But the A+ had a better chance, before the fact, of getting the telescope.
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Here, “greater” rather than “higher”.
Rolls are rolls, but more is better. The rolls in A+ loot may be seen as lesser than what a player got in his C loot, but it is strictly an RNG based difference.
You not only get more rolls at certain breakpounts, but from tier to tier you have better chances of getting rare items per slot.
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Are you sure that’s accurate? My understanding is that the probability of rare materials from any given roll is static, and only the number of rolls change with highter loot tiers. As far as I’ve read tier 9-12 loot all have equivalent rare ascension material chances (3 rolls), the higher tiers only grant additional rolls for tokens/crafting mats/flasks. At 13 you would have one additional roll for ascension material, and you’d have one less at tier 8.
Just ranked b on 8* loot was s*** more like a consolation prize lol really not satisfied 3 loot tickets 1 silver summon token 3 monk emblems
I mean really lol
Yes, there is clear evidence that the odds per roll are better with higher titans.
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Edited to be more clear. One really must look at Revelate’s original link. My picture is a dumbed-down version to help a new player walk through the concept.
To be accurate, it should show:
- Titan Stars
- Grades C, B, A, A+ (D?)
- Grades on both wins/losses
- Loot tiers
- How one actually gets a Loot Tier (6* A and 8* C both equal Loot Tier VIII)
- How many rolls (chances for ascension materials) a Loot Tier gives you
- What counts as ascension material? (i.e., “Why do I get daggers and scabbards instead of Orbs and Trap Tools?!”)
@Mr_Style_Points My example stopped at Tier 12, but I believe you’re right on Loot Tier 13 (XIII), 4 rolls.
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I believe there was a revision after Rev wrote the big post. Isn’t it Tier IX where it goes to three AM rolls, now?
I believe you, as that would make much more sense to handle it that way in order to incentivize pushing for stronger titans, but do you happen to have a link to anything summarizing that? That’s contrary to my read of the threads I’ve seen, but maybe I missed a different thread
In the link, Revelate’s post is revised and clearly shows Loot Tier IX (9) as 3 rolls:
(The number at the end of each row is how many rolls you get for that Tier.)
Here’s that link again, if you don’t want to scroll up:
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I am surprised to read this. Like others, I thought only the Titan tier mattered. Is there public data to support the assertion?
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I might just be dense but I’ve yet to find any corroborating evidence of this, as intuitive as it seems on paper
Hi @Kerridoc, thank you for your input and all your effort in this forum. I, too, am interested in finding more evidence to support your claim. Do you know if there are any tables from people who’ve researched this to show how many chances each roll has in every * titans?
I would be interested to know if there’s difference in the chances per roll, not only between the * titans, but also between the ranking on the same titan (as long as everyone gets the same number of rolls obviously).
Thank you in advace for your help!
I havent been as systematic about this as I should. My statement is from experience with my main account and my alt. My main account usually gets loot tier 12 or 13, while my alt is usually at 9, 10, or 11. There is a clear difference in the mat drop rates i’ve experienced over that last six months.