[SOLVED] 2019 HotM Elemental Defense Buff Not Stacking

[Ugito]

So I have Frida and Ranvir, who both have elemental defense buff to their weaker element. I would have figured they would stack as elemental defensive downs stack (see screen shot). I would like Aegir and Zim to stack as well, but I can see how that would be against current president, so I would leave that alone, but the elemental def buff does go against president so I would (and obviously am) argue that is a bug.

[Ruskin505]

Whether it’s actually a big or not only SG can confirm. But it seems to be a carryover from beta.

@PlayForFun

This was worked similar way in Beta.
So similar family links can not stack, and even the duration is not reset after activation of a second hero if the first hero’s elemental link is active.

[Ugito]

We will see what they say. Even if they say it is not a bug it is inconsistent with previous president and should warrant a clarification. Especially the not resetting if not stacking.

[Grajek]

Why consider it a bug? This is undispellable buff meaning it can’t be override even by the same buff

[Ugito]

Because when the same hero casts the same undispllable special on themselves it resets.

[BradleyJuan]

I have the same issue with all my HOtM family bonus. When you have 2+ hero’s from the same HOtM family bonus, the family bonus does not apply to all allies. Based on troops, Athena and Cobalt and receiving normal healing for troops and are not receiving the +20 that Vela, Rafi & Glenda are receiving. I have noticed the same thing with other HOTM family bonuses also. My 2019 family attack boost is also not applying to all when you have 2+ from the same family

[Gryphonknight]

Elemental rainbow links

@Ruskin505

carryover from beta.

I agree

But

It sucks

Since normal Element defense buffs do not overwrite each other ( see notes )

5x Stacking

The intent of Elemental rainbow link buffs overwriting each other seems to be preventing Attack +X% from stacking 5x ( 1x for each color )

Minions

Will be interesting to see how they deal with Elemental rainbow links that create minions since that could quickly overwrite more useful minions

Notes

Click for notes

Buff/ Debuff

Below link includes an overwrite table

Which will need to be updated by a @moderator when rules for Elemental rainbow links are confirmed working as intended ( we miss you @DaveCozy )

(📑 Status Effects (Buffs and Ailments) and Stacks - Dead topic see link in post #190)

Testing

Elemental link minions

@From another discussion

@Player A

new elemental link that summons minions.

You are a moderator, you could start a new topic:

@From another discussion

3 slots

@Player B

Would there be a way to make these minions separate from the 3 regular minion slots that already exist

I also feel this is a problem.

Not only are these minions very very weak. But of the three Beta HotM, 1x fast and 2x average mana speed.

6 slots

If I recall correctly, Thorn minions can occupy a 4th slot.

I propose expanding the number of minion slots from 3 to 6.

There is already no limit on the number of buffs a hero can have.

HP buff

Or change the elemental link from minions to HP +100. Basically Elemental link version of Heimdall 's HP plus.

See also

(https://forum.smallgiantgames.com/search?context=topic&context_id=190632&q=minion%20&skip_context=false)

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

Stacking

@Ugito

Elemental defensive downs stack (see screen shot

Elemental defense debuff stack ( see previous post )

But since we do not know the latest version of the damage formula, we were never able to check a possible bug with Elemental defense debuff from an Elemental link

(Agwe nature defense does not work?)

Maybe Devs could comment

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

@BradleyJuan

have 2+ hero’s from the same HOtM family bonus, the family bonus does not apply to all allies

Correct

It only applies to heroes in the same family, not the same team

So 2020 HotM share a family but 2017 HotM are in a different family even though on same team

Notes

@Kerridoc

A little twist: they have to be unique heroes. Two Tritons only count as one.

Tap the family icon to find out what they do.

• Lagoon: +Attack
• Atlantis: +Defense
• Sakura: +Mana generation

The bonus is applied automatically to family members. You don’t need to cast to activate it, and it can’t be dispelled.

[Gryphonknight]

Wording

@Gryphonknight

5x Stacking

The intent of Elemental rainbow link buffs overwriting each other seems to be preventing Attack +X% from stacking 5x ( 1x for each color )

Maybe change the wording of elemental links

Something like 2019

Defense +X% against Color ( HotM buff )

Since HotM buffs are going to work differently than any similar buffs ( once again, the forum staff, and mods, are going to be overworked as this game mechanic spreads )

[Photon]

So, I have tried Glenda and Bertila. Glenda fired first, and since I paired her with Bertila, Glenda gave everyone minions, but Bertila only got a green minion for herself.

In a way, this seems to balance out, because if both Glenda and Beetila had minions for everyone, then it would a bit unfair with me having a swarm of minions. So if you have a hero with the same elemental style link, they won’t stack

[Liam_K]

What was your team? Bertila is 2021 which hasn’t been activated yet, so the 2+ HoTMs from this year shouldn’t do anything

[Slipwisp]

I had whole team mana gen boost from 2019 Family (Neith) 4%.
Then when mana gen boost from 2018 Family (Delilah) 10% fired, it did not apply at all. (i.e. Did not overwrite - did absolutely nothing - everyone still at 4%).

Likewise, if Delilah fires first then team gets 10% mana gen, then when Neith fires it does nothing. (in this direction, however, the bug is nice to stay at 10%!)

[Dannyoh31]

Not a bug, it’s an undispellable buff so you can’t dispel or overwrite it. It was confirmed this way in beta

[Slipwisp]

Roger that. Thank you!

[Walkertexasranger]

So, having read through it all, I gather that two heros that provide the same buff from the hotm years won’t overwrite each other. But what about Anzogh and Frida? They both provide elemental defense boosts, but it’s for different elements. To me that’s a different buff and should both be present, but that’s not happening for me. Are those considered the same?

[Petri]

Thank you for the reports, we’ll investigate this issue here.

[BradleyJuan]

But if you read the card it states “bonus for 2+ hero’s: Elemental Link affects all allies”. My interpretation of this statement is that if I bring in 2+ HOtM of the same family, then the family bonus will impact all allies and not just the HOtM family.

[Garouman]

Any info? Feedback ?

[Garouman]

Why are Anzhog’s and Margaret elemental defense against, respectively, blue and red. Overwriting each other. Neith doesn’t get overwritten, so either we can’t have more than one elemental def active at a time ou it’s a bug. Because I plan on building a defense on that duo. So, bug ? Or, WHY?

I know the 2 are not from the same combat.