Is Wu Kong really gives allies -32 accuracy?

Rgtm boosters? I donā€™t get thisā€¦
Do you have a link or something on those characters? Can not find I summons portal


Here you areā€¦

That info next to a picture,may I ask you to share where you have a source from please? :roll_eyes:

It is from the bot Jeeves on Discord App.

Omg,Ranvir looks so much better than Wu Kongā€¦

check this out :wink:
@Lumi is such a busy bee always spend his free time to keep Jeeves updated. We are all so grateful to have Jeeves in our Discord server.

Could not find this Jeeves not app in Google play store

Better read the thread I shared :wink:

There is a link to Discord (this is the Apps name) but Discord can be used via computer as well.
You only need an e-mail address.
@Lumi maybe you can share an invitation to your E&P server?

Actually ranvir is worst than wu-kongā€¦

Wu-kong is only good for titans. I donā€™t recommend him in raids/wars unless your team is really underpowered compared yo the defender.

Wu Kong does not pair well with snipers. They will miss 1/3 of the time which is not good when you are trying to finish off an opponent. Especially one that has just filled its mana.

He is ok with AoE. Even if they miss 1/3 of the time they are hitting 3-4 of 5 opponents for extra damage.

Wu is best suited to tile damage, which is why he works so good for Titans. Stack 4 strong colour plus Wu and then titan damage per tile becomes in the thousands.

Sometimes he causes all misses, sometimes none. Sometimes itā€™s hard to tell how many hits and misses there are as they overlap.

Math:

3x normal hits = 300%
3x Wu hits = 3x185 * (1-.32) = 377% (assuming a 32% miss)
I goofed in the math ā€“ see replied posts for correct Wu hits.

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RGTM. My own term calling the 5 star heroes that provide attack boost. They are short for Ranvir, Guardian Gazelle, Tarlak and Miki. Any one of them is a better version of Wu Kong (though some would say Wu Kong is better than Ranvir but I tend to disagree because Ranvir has better stats, has direct damaging skill, poson immunity, Element Link and highest attack boost at the expense of accuracy penalty, 4 more orbs and six items of 4 star ascension materials). But thatā€™s my term. RGTM.

Wu Kong is nice, but Miki is sooo much better.

Unfortunatelyā€¦ the RGTM mix (as you call them) are not heroes you can just magically summon every day, whereas Wu Kong is entirely possible for every player to have.

If you donā€™t have the others, youā€™ll definitely want to have Wu Kong. Total game changer for your titan scores. The miss rate is bad, but the hits more than make up for it.

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Itā€™s actually even higher, as you missed the ā€˜normalā€™ 100%, so 3x285 * (1-.32) = ~581 (or almost double the damage).

Also see @Guvnor analysis in Titan Damage Boosters: Miki vs. Tarlak vs. Ranvir vs. Wu Kong vs. Guardian Gazelle where he also takes into attack the damage formula and other factors.

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Yeah, itā€™s definitely higher than that.

I know itā€™s not exactly considered good overall strategy, but I oftentimes use Wu in my raid attacks. Mostly attacking teams that are much higher TP than mine. If I go mostly rainbow, my regular attacks barely even scratch the opponents. Light up Wu right before setting off a combo, though? Your tiles start ripping through opponents like a hot knife through butter.

Then you consider titan attacks. Iā€™ve seen players on my team whose average attacks before pulling Wu were somewhere around 15k. After pulling and leveling Wu? Their average titan hits nearly doubled.

noā€¦he give -80 % accuracyā€¦i already using wu kong many timesā€¦miss more than -35 accuracyā€¦damnā€¦thats number is not right

that is 3x 2.85 * (1- 0.32 )= 5.814 or 581.4%
versus
300%

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Yup, I missed the initial 100% starting point. Thanks all for correcting me.

Iā€™ll just go return my bachelorā€™s degree now, since itā€™s not in arts.

Iā€™ve been using Wu daily on titans for a year and a half now. Sometimes it is -80, sometimes -100, sometimes 0 misses. It all evens out to roughly 1/3. It is also easy to not notice the hits when they are hidden behind the ā€œMISSā€ that pops up.

On average, when I first started using Wu my titan hits went from 15k to 23k. Sometimes 8k, sometimes 40k.

You can test his effectiveness by not using him and see if your score drops or not.

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Yeahā€¦ I donā€™t even have to do the actual maths to know that both of these premises

  • Wu gives 377% vs. 300% damage overall
  • Wu misses 80% of the time

are not entirely accurate.

Wuā€™s impact is much higher than 377:300.
And even though it may sometimes seem like he misses way more than half of his shots? Actual score results seem to prove otherwise.
There is no way that a hero who misses 80% of the time can ā€œmagicallyā€ nearly double an otherwise relatively mediocre teamā€™s average titan scores over the course of several months.

44obfj

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No wonder that cat canā€™t do any mathsā€¦The calculator isnā€™t even on

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Doesnā€™t have to be. Even though he got 32% of the questions wrong, he got extra credit for every one he got right, and graduated at the top of his class. :grin:

EDIT: Okay. You want maths.

Wu Kongā€™s card says +185% attack. Not x185% attack. +185% attack means total 285% attack. Whereas x185% attack would mean flat 185%.

Now you subtract the 32% miss rate from each, meaning you only have a 68% chance to hit.

Even if we assume that what they actually meant was 185% total, even at a 32% chance miss rate, your average attacks will still average 125.8% of the damage vs. normal attacks overall.

If we take the cardā€™s stats literally, +185% means 285% attack. Reduce by the miss rate, average attacks will average 193.8% of the damage vs. normal attacks.

Letā€™s then just assume, for the sake of argument, that the miss rate is actually higher than the posted 32% rate.

Assuming the actual miss rate is actually 50%, as opposed to the 32% rate ā€œadvertisedā€: overall attacks will still average 142.5% damage of normal ā€œnon Wuā€ attacks.

Assuming the extreme and unlikely case that the overall miss rate is actually 80%: well in that case, overall Wu damage would only be 57% of normal damage. And that would certainly suck.

But if that were the actual case? I donā€™t think anyone would be using Wu at all, ever.

Perhaps I should start a poll, asking everyone who has extensively used a level Wu Kong, to ask whether or not they believe he actually lowers their overall damage? By overall damage, I mean damage numbers spread out over hundreds of battles, not just the one or two unfortunate times where he ā€œseemsā€ to miss every hit.

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