⚖ Hero Balance Discussion: Knave of Hearts

This thread is for discussing whether Knave of Hearts is well-balanced, or whether you think he needs a buff or nerf.

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:bar_chart: Poll

  • I think Knave of Hearts is reasonably well-balanced overall
  • I think Knave of Hearts is excessively weak, and needs a buff (increase of their strength)
  • I think Knave of Hearts is excessively strong, and needs a nerf (decrease of their strength)
  • I’m not sure yet
0 voters

:speaking_head: Discussion

  • If you think Knave of Hearts is well-balanced, too strong, or too weak — why?

  • Are there specific, concrete suggestions you’d make to the game designers to alter Knave of Hearts ? Or are there specific reasons you think they should remain unchanged?


Purpose of this thread:

To provide an aggregate place for the topic here on the forum; thus preventing there being a million threads popping up. And to provide an actual set of impartial votes rather than a Ideas & Feature Requests which has no real voting.

In short, to neaten the forum and to give players and outlet for their thoughts on his balance without bogging down the rest of the forum or the other Knave of Hearts thread.

Mindless attack to one that doesn’t shift, minor damage and a baby minion. The beta feedback had some people who seemed to think the mindless was to 3 heroes and said hero was op. That wasn’t the case. The damage isn’t enough and the mindless should be either undispellable or shifting. Why not include the passive that was given to the rest of the family? He is just ok as he is.

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I skipped the poll…I don’t think he’s excessively weak but I don’t think he’s balanced either. I agree that the prerelease adjustments were just too much … perhaps even completely unnecessary.

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Medea is such a better hero than this hero. Also why is he purple?

As a fresh new hero he is just average. Fast speed is good, but does not stand out at all. If Merlin was fast hero - he’d be just a bit worse

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i agree ,this hero was very strong in beta and mostly suggests to tune her down but not all part of her specials

agree madea is way better in all parts,specials, passive attack ,family bonus…

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Because he fell out with Queen

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Shifting mindless attack would make him better and maybe adding dmg increase from 300% - > 350-380% should be enough to make this hero good/great

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I agree with this - shifting mindless and a slight increase in damage would make him a good hero.

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I also agree. Since he has zero passive skills, he should hit like 350% to three and mindless attack shoud shift.

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I honestly think this thread is kind of ridiculous. Owning him I can say that he has instantly become one of my favorites. Damage is not great but alright, for benefiting from mindless you need the target to survive anyway, mindless at fast is always nice and his minion is an absolute class act. There are very few purely offensive healers and he’s one of them.

purley offensive healers? A 10% health boost from the minion dying… I don’t understand

Damn, I thought his minions restore 10% HP per turn. Then he would be great. As he is he’s kinda Master of None: he does damage, healing, mindless, minions, but nothing all too well.

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I think he needs a buff (not that he is bad overall) but if we compare with heroes with the same rarity he should deal more dommage … not 400% on three might be too much, but something in the range of 340-360% would not shock me to be on par with heroes like Christine Daae in terms of damage

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Hes not worth pulling for sure they way he is. Raise his damage to 400 and make the mindless undispellable abd shifting. Do something for once instead of waoiting year to buff. I was just pulling tdying to get that secret hero Omen. But got this average purple which sucks. So tired of thks game and wasting money on it only to get a erage heros alll the time.

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The problem is that for a new hero, he feels old.

300% at fast speed is 2022…

…mindless attack to target, is 2020

…weak minions who have conditional healing…2021

Proposal:

-400% to target and nearby
-shifting mindless attack (doesnt have to be uncleansable)

  • mega minion or 20% hp /40% att minion for caster and all allies, who heals 5% after each turn
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What about his stats? Are they old? Damage is calculated on stats and he has very good stats. Feels like very balanced hero to me. Why should every new hero be OP? He does quite well in every aspect, yet not OP nor weak.

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I got him and he will stay wt 1.1 unless hes “buffed” if you want to call it that, back to what his special was in beta. As is hes not worth the mats effort and time to level up

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I think your idea of what is OP is comparing new heros to those from 12, 18+ months ago… he was not OP in the beta version he was average with the status quo of currently released heros, the nerf has made him undesirable and underpowered for the game in competition with most other heros released over the past few months

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Was stoked at pulling this 1 until I read his special. Dmg waaaay too low, low
Minion HP, only minion heal on minion defeat, no shifting mindless & to only the target ? That’s what u call a NERF !!! What a way to ruin a hero pre- release. All those who called for a nerf !! U proud of yourselves !!! Some who called for the beef actually thought the mindless was to 3 ??? Derrrrr !! Needs a boost back to useable in todays mega but being a wonderland character who only appears in covenant it won’t even come up in thought let alone a discussion.

Shame, I needed a purple levelling project. I’ll do another toon Domitia before this pile of garbage. Why do they listen to some beta testers but not others. There’s many more heroes deserving of a nerf before this 1 personally I wouldn’t nerf, just buff others but that’s just me. I just don’t get the logic of this game sometimes. U hear the long speeches about balance & maintaining player involvement to enable a comeback from a bad starting board etc, etc. etc it’s just spiel. Seems I always get the hero with the biggest nerf & the most useless !!! Sod’s Law !!!

If the devs follow usual protocol then there’ll be a costume soon the absolute daylight robbers. Give us something back for free & when you do don’t make it sound like u r doing your bit for world peace with the big balance speeches & then go back on everything u have said about the future intentions of the game. So annoyed at pulling this guy. Should be a cause for celebration not a time for thought about if he’s worth the mats, which he isn’t & obviously should be given his age. So, so annoyed. Maybe they’ll surprise me & do something positive for once & re-instate some of this guys pre-release effects. That would be nice & probably a 1st !! So annoyed !!!