Gullin damage

[Frans3000]

I don’t understand how damage works. want to ask whether gullinbursti version 31 is more powerful than the previous version ?

[Dannyoh31]

I recently faced him on Def and he hit for 491 damage to all. This feels higher than before and took me by surprise!

My guess is that as it’s been converted to points of damage, that is increased by a factor by the troops and the 1.2x Def attack multiplier. This creates as situation where his damage being multiplied is greater than the effect of just his attack being multiplied so he’s hitting harder.

Great news for Gulli! Also it is definitely easier to understand now as you can click on the hero and know exactly what damage will happen in battle.

Ps this is unconfirmed, based on experience in game only as I don’t have the previous version too compare

[JonahTheBard]

Other Changes:

• Additional damage in Guardian Gazelle, Hansel, Gretel, Pixie, Gullinbursti and An-Windr’s specials is now displayed as the exact amount of damage being dealt
  • The damage dealt by Guardian Gazelle, Gullinbursti and An-Windr’s specials is no longer affected by the enemy’s defense. The amount of damage dealt has been rebalanced for each hero

The best general thread about damage is here, it’s quite technical but is very thorough.

Damage Calculation

Examples of calculations EDIT : The examples were taken again following the simplification of the first post Defense [Exemple%20Def] Attacker 1: Richard (Att=650) Defender 1: Grimm (Def=600) Calculated damage: 100x(650/600)^1.35=111 - Damage found: 112 Attacker 2: Elena (Att=788) Defender 2: Zeline (Def=619) Calculated damage: 100x(788/619)^1.35=139 - Damage found: 149 Special Skills [Exemple%20Comp%20Sp%C3%A9] Attacker: Zeline (Att=724x154%=1108, …

[Frans3000]

Can we make it higher with atk buff or def down ?

[Eldente]

It currently works like a 1-turn DoT.

DoTs ignore defense, always hit for the same numbers, and are only affected by the starting attack stat of the hero (i.e. base, talents, troops - but not buffs).

[Frans3000]

Thanks jonah, i think gullin become hero with DOT now

[Frans3000]

I played with the mono team, the wukong buff felt useless. doesn’t this make the gullin weaker ?

[Eldente]

It makes Gullin special much stronger thanks to ignoring defense (IMO).
Yes, Wukong buff does not apply to the special any more, but overall, in a vacuum, you should be doing much more damage to higher power targets now.

[Infinite]

His damage was previously fairly minor to ascended emblemed fives. Now he can do up to 300 ish damage, which seems much stronger . There looks to be a use case with him and Wilbur to make sure his damage is maxed out

[Frans3000]

I use him for support. but when he become dot, My dream to have some good combination special skill in mono is gone. He cant get higher damage with atk buff or def down.

[Frans3000]

Maybe 3*-5*, looks fun with kailani, c.vivica, wukong, gullin, g.jackal

[Infinite]

He was really hard to coordinate with buffs and so forth due to the delay after firing, so I am content with the DOT type effect

[Raghadorn]

His damage is frosting on the BigPig Cake.

I run him with Heimdall and C.Kashrek.

Superboosted HP…To infinity, AND BEYOND!!!

[Frans3000]

What if we have 5 gullin… Kabooommm

[Frans3000]

everyone has their own satisfaction. So yeah sadly i must deal with it.

[Guvnor]

@Frans3000, @JonahTheBard, @Dannyoh31, @Eldente, @Infinite

Here is a MUCH more in depth run-down on what Gullinbursti does in the V31 balance changes:

@Guvnor

Unemblemed & No Troops (i.e. the card)

Gazelle = 80 Damage
Gullinbursti = 170 Damage + 12 damage per hit (max of 314)
An-Windr = 117 Damage + 8 damage per hit (max of 213)
Hansel = 146 Damage
Gretel = 147 Damage
Pixie = 89 Damage

Talents

Adding Attack Talents DOES increase the damage. Defence or HP or Class Talent Nodes do NOT affect the Damage.
An-Windr
Base = 117 Damage (+8 per hit, 213 max)
+12 Nodes (all attack – +72 Attack) = 138 Damage (+10 per hit, max of 258)
+18 Nodes (all attack – +117 Attack) = 150 Damage (+11 per hit, max of 282)
— Goes from +8 per hit to +9 per hit at +30 Attack (node 5); Goes from +9 per hit to +10 per hit at +72 Attack (node 11); Goes from +10 per hit to +11 per hit at +117 Attack (node 18)

Pixie
Base = 89 Damage
+12 Nodes (all attack – +45 Attack) = 99 Damage
+18 Nodes (all attack – +75 Attack) = 105 Damage

Gretel
Base = 147 Damage
+12 Nodes (all attack – +63 Attack) = 161 Damage
+18 Nodes (all attack – +108 Attack) = 170 Damage

Hansel
Base = 146 Damage
+12 Nodes (all attack – +50 Attack) = 157 Damage
+18 Nodes (all attack – +80 Attack) = 163 Damage

Gullinbursti
Base = 170 Damage (+12 per hit, max 314)
+12 Nodes (all attack – +63 Attack) = 187 Damage (+13 per hit, max of 343)
+18 Nodes (all attack – +93 Attack) = 196 Damage (+14 per hit, max of 364)
— Goes from +12 per hit to +13 per hit at +30 Attack (node 6); Goes from +13 per hit to +14 per hit at +78 Attack (node 14)

Gazelle
Base = 80 Damage
+12 Nodes (all attack – +63 Attack) = 87 Damage
+18 Nodes (all attack – +97 Attack) = 90 Damage

Troops

Troop Attack Stat boosts ALSO affect the base-damage number.

Gretel +18 base (from above) = 170 Damage
Gretel with +15% attack from troop = 196 Damage

Gazelle +18 base (from above) = 90 Damage
Gazelle with +23% attack from troop = 111 Damage

Gullinbursti +18 base (from above) = 196 Damage (+14 per hit, max of 364)
Gullinbursti with +4% attack from troop = 203 Damage (+15 per hit, max of 383)

Pixie +18 base (from above) = 105 Damage
Pixie with +9% attack from troop = 114 Damage

Family Bonus

Family Bonus does NOT affect the base damage number

Attack De/Buff

Attack buff does NOT affect the base damage number

Some Tabulated Data:

Approx Formula:
There doesn’t seem to be any clear formula for the various heroes… But here are the approx formula’s based on the data collected in the tables above:

Gazelle:
Damage = 0.1065 * [Attack]

Gretel:
Damage = 0.2092 * [Attack]

Gullinbursti:
Damage = 0.28 * [Attack]
Per Turn = 0.201 * [Attack]
Max Damage = 0.822 * [Attack]

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[Frans3000]

but they have some DOT characteristics, such as not being able to be affected by atk de/buffs or def de/buffs. it’s just based on stats, talents, and troops. And why dev do that ?

[Infinite]

I’m guessing they felt it wasn’t clear enough as it was, and now it is much clearer. Thanks very much @Guvnor for all the info, very nice!

[Guvnor]

@Guvnor

Additional damage in Guardian Gazelle, Hansel, Gretel, Pixie, Gullinbursti and An-Windr’s specials is now displayed as the exact amount of damage being dealt.

• The damage dealt by Guardian Gazelle, Gullinbursti and An-Windr’s specials is no longer affected by the enemy’s defense. The amount of damage dealt has been rebalanced for each hero.
• The amount of damage dealt by Hansel, Gretel and Pixie is not affected by this change, only displayed differently.

Main purpose of this change is to reduce confusion. the QUANTITY of damage should remain (on average) the same as previously.

All in the actual topic on balance changes…

[Frans3000]

Why they get confusion ? Is it a problem when the damage is affected by enemy defense ?