There are a lot of teams beating Guinevere, even without Hotm or event heroes but, it’s easier with special heroes. But here is also the point where money is involved.
Why should anyone buy heroes if I can have the same effects with ‘standard’ heroes? People have win rates of 90% while raiding but still they complain. They don’t have the bench or not the best heroes (for Guin) ornot the troops or not enough ascension items or… But demanding a nerf! The same happened to Ares. People were whining that he’s unbeatable and so strong and you can only win with a perfect board. SG was bringing Guin and gravemaker and people laugh about Ares tanks - so what happened? People always cry about that what they don’t have. 9/10 heroes are attack heroes and attack gets stronger and stronger, about defense heroes they complain. The only solution is an automated win (like loot tickets) for raids so it’s clear it’s only another kind of farming and everyone can climb on top.
The point is not about beating Guin. At least that was what I was trying to establish but rather more diversity in the tanks used in the diamond league. Guin is definitely beatable. The only thing is every roll or so I keep seeing her in the middle. It’s boring. So in the diamond league just keep using purple stacked teams all the way. That’s really meh for me. What do I do with my other heroes during raid? Sitting on the bench waiting for AW.
Sitting on the bench waiting for AW where, if you’re in the top 40, they’ll face teams tanking mostly Guins, unless they’re bored because stuck in a Groundhog loop of facing the same teams over and over again and are changing it up just for variety.
Well I’m not in any top clans. Too stressful there. Only myself and another member in diamond. So can’t speak for those in the top. Individually it’s boring to raid in diamond. Down here at least it’s more fun during AW.
I feel you. But a nerf is not a solution (and there are lot of players demanding that).
Folks always take the best option they have. So let us say they bring a tank with Guin skill but 50 health more (chose a color) and you will see a domination of this tank at the top of the list. You go there with activity and the best heroes. Folks will say Guin was easy to beat but the new tank is way to strong. It won’t be true but they will say it.
SG ‘only’ need to make stacking of tank heroes inattentive.but actually Aegis wasn’t nerfed because of Guin (but Bosswolf).
So long the attacker know the defending team we will not see real diversity because there’s no advantage in it. As soon as people don’t see the defenders we van expect different tanks (surprising factor) but people will complain that they meet their limits earlier.
my alts defense is joon isarnia delilah azlar sartana and that account ends up the same cup level each morning as my 7dd defense of albi/alasie gravemaker guin zeline sartana. Now some of of that is my 7dd account gets attacked more just because that’s what people do but the alt holds cups just as well (and i don’t buy troops so troops are roughly similar levels across both accounts too).
Have I understood this correctly: do you think your 7dd account gets attacked more because it is attached to the 7dd alliance? I might have misinterpreted your comment.
Unfortunately, I can’t argue that you are wrong because I have no data.
Grr. I suppose I have to assume that you’re right. Grr. Have you tested this properly, or are you just relying on players’ impressions? Grr. No chance that this is just players’ overactive imaginations? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
[Eyeballs explode because of escalating intra-cranial pressure.]
it’s been so long since i joined can’t personally tell the difference but i know that my 7dd account gets attacked at least twice as much as my other account, despite being in the same cup range and having more notable heroes (guin gravemaker zeline albi etc).
and yes every single new member has made a comment on how much more they get attacked when joining 7dd from a non 7d alliance. i don’t grill them on numbers but it’s been literally every single one since i moved from Reborn to Departed last November.
I’m going to assume, because you spend more on your 7dd account, that you have a better selection of attack heroes to choose from, and therefore typically peak at a higher cup level than your alt account. Wouldn’t this make you a juicier target, more tempting for opponents to hit despite your stronger defensive team? I can’t speak for the universe of players, but I know that when I’m attempting to improve my ranking I mainly choose opponents based on how many trophies defeating them will earn me.
This wouldn’t explain the comments of your teammates, but I’m less inclined to accept their comments at face value than yours. (To your credit, you have a history of being both rational and right.)
Yes i have spent way more on 7dd account, but being a good raider, both my accounts generally end up the night in roughly the same cup range. I also got attacked more when i was in my forum posting heyday months ago, though that could be explained by a lot of other factors not related to people wanting to hit the forum loud mouth.
For you to be right, players would have to be actively re-rolling until they found opponents from alliances they recognised, or at least choosing not to re-roll when they recognised the alliances of potential opponents. I find that enormously difficult to believe, but I’m often very wrong about what motivates people. I must accept that I could be wrong about this.
I’d love to see some proper analysis, but until that magically appears I have to concede that you’re in a much better position to know than I am.
To me when players reroll cloned teams (ex. Alaise - Gravemaker - Guinevere - Zeline - Sartana) and keep finding the same teams over and over they start looking even player’s and alliance’s names…
or they will search tough and “recognized opponents” while filming their videos.
I’m sure they attack them more just for being 7DD, I do not think it’s for anything personal, just to win the best, that Zero counts the number of attacks he will suffer, he can not believe that someone who comes out will give him a following without try it On the subject Guin, I have always been surprised that Domitia is not more popular in the game because of Guin, strong color against it that also benefits beneficial states, after Panther should be its worst rival. And now changing a little third, before they named Zeline, if they had a limited budget of C2P and had to go for a green, would they go for Zeline or for Alby?
Healers who put a elemental defense buff are excellent: Guinevere, Kashhrek
Attackers who put a elemental defense buff aren’t the best: G. Kong, Perseus, Domitia, Boomer, (Agwe?)
Morgan Le Fay… is between them. Personally I like her.
I use Domitia 100% of the time against Guin, not for the holy defense buff, but for the debuff to take that healing and dark defense buff off her and her flanks.
People keep bringing up the same overused defense of guin about how she is beatable. It doesn’t matter if she’s beatable. What matters is how much she negatively effects the game. This is a game of random tiles everything is beatable…
The problem with guin is
A) she is by far the best tank in game and makes diamond level and wars monotonous and boring.
B) she also makes flanking hero’s or other tanks a problem. So they are nerfed becuase of thier interaction with her.
C) she is the ONLY hero in game that people recommend color stacking to reliably defeat.
None of the above should exist.
Even if they don’t nerf guin. SGG needs to address this problem. By creating other tanks that rival guin without being broken next to guin… so far every attempt to create another tank is failing miserably in beta due to Guinevere. I don’t think gravemaker is broken(he actually would have been easier to handle if aegir was decent being blue is his weak color), I don’t think zeline is broken. However Guinevere clearly causes issues that no other hero in game causes. Address that however you like however the fact guin has been beaten is completely irrelevant.
