You have to uses the plural form it seems.
1 Like
That was pretty great that they pretty much proved my point!
1 Like
If you act like a spoiled child, you get ignored like a spoiled child. Act like a mature adult and you get treated as a mature adult.
8 Likes
@Prich543 unfortunately seemed angry when he posted. It showed, and the post was flagged.
This was unfortunate as his remark about a “special fraternity” rings true. Indeed, @zero called it “royalty”. He may have been putting on airs to jibe another active and talented player who wanted to know why she was not allowed in. Jibe or not it was telling.
1 Like
Maybe her application hasn’t what they looking for. Or it may contains same language that has flagged!
A player application is just like the grave, 2 only will know what in it. Lord/Dev & the grave owner/application maker.
2 Likes
The problem is not the room, or the beta, the problem is that the beta and, surely the room, seem to be used not in service of the community and the game, but in particular services and certain alliances. That is a rumor that circulates in many places and that seems to confirm the no nerf to Geneva, the no nerf to GVM that interacts with her and the nerf to Wolf and Aegir. @ petri should show that this rumor is not true.
1 Like
@Ber While I don’t subscribe to the belief that access to the Active Player and Beta lounges is part of a conspiracy, I am curious on what you are considering to be proof?
I am guessing that the only way to prove or disprove this rumor would be to let everyone into both lounges so they could see for themselves and make a judgement. At the very least, copy all the posts that have ever happened in those lounges to the regular forum threads.
Wait, wouldn’t that just negate the need for both lounges and make them part of the regular forum 
I think a better solution is to understand that the process of creating a program/game includes feedback from users. The best feedback typically comes from those that use the program the most or for the longest time.
4 Likes
This conspiracy theory is ridiculous. If Petri responds you won’t believe him anyway. I am going to use a couple of quotes from beta.
“A nerf on Aegir hurts his playability a lot. We have already gone into a meta with a super tank (Guin). Aegir as he is right now rivals Guin which is needed. A nerf on him will just keep the status quo of Guin tanks reigning supreme.” - July 31, 2018 by Zero
"Please don’t nerf Aegir! Even with the old defense buff, I think Guin may be a slightly better tank but a strong Aegir would have disrupted the boredom at the top.
Look at my photo here illustrating the top 10 and their teams:
I spent the last week frequenting the top 10 and I wanted to convey my experiences so that others may benefit. I had fun although I decided not to stay there for reasons that will become apparent later. The picture is self-explanatory. I realized early on that I enjoyed raiding. I started as a cup dropper, but then that got boring and shortly before I joined my current alliance King of the North, I decided to raise myself to an appropriate position. I became more…
Today, there are 8 Guin tanks in the top 10, and most have Zeline and Gravemaker around them. It gets boring fighting the same teams all the time (which are similar to mine). I limit my incursions into the top 10 because of these repetitive fights.
You need to break the Guin monopoly. You had a chance with Boss Wolf, but that was nixed perhaps due to the Wolf Guin combo. There is another chance here, but without a defense buff I fear Aegir will fall into the same bin of really good but not outstanding tanks. I would prefer the general defense buff but at least give he and the surrounding heroes a green defense buff…
Thanks for listening." – My quote August 31, 2018
Neither of these quotes produced any argument
3 Likes
no, the best proof that the rumor is not true is that, for once, the beta tester and the tops are damaged (they are the same) and 7dd and others, returning wolf and aegir the original, damaging the tandem Gin GVM that are the basis of the top100 and the top 5 alliance. The best proof is that nerf Gin, a holy time and GVM (do not tell me you can kill and blah blah), the best proof is that the beta are not judge and part.
I have no doubt about Zero, he has shown enough equanimity.
2 Likes
I’m not in a top alliance yet a beta tester.
In the past i was really active in the beta lounge and often express and discuss my and others opinions.
I would say that top player like @Xero786, @JimMe or @Dante2377 had shown some really good points in the past trying to be (sometimes more then others) equally on their judgement and trying to expressing potential problems for both F2P, P2W and C2P.
I’m honest, really.
If i have to do a complaint is that it seems that their opinion is the only one really listened. Honestly, sometimes it seems to me they don’t even try to hide it.
Many times i see post as good as theirs from @Epigenetic, @Wharflord or @Kerridoc, but it seems that something may be good only if even them feel it is good. Even very trivial stuff.
So if you want to complaint about something, i will not complaint about their bad intention, but rather the importance Small Giant give to what they tell.
3 Likes
Hi Elpis:
I don’t think they ignore me, but they may not know me as well as the others. Some of the things I say have been done regardless of whether someone acknowledged it or not, so I don’t feel excluded or ignored. Kerridoc was made moderator and I feel like his opinion is valued, and Wharflord doesn’t post as much but he has great input…plus all of them are top tier players.
2 Likes
I have never looked at anything in this game or its forum as conspiratorial. What I am seeing is what I can only describe as “provincial” thinking and attitudes from the developers.
Since there is no transparency, a thing which leads to others seeing conspiracies, I can only see the Active Player Lounge as a place for those in the sub-set of programmers/developers and gamers.
Since many of those players are seen by others as mega p2p, this advances the idea of “royalty” vs the masses.
My evidence is @Petri’s posting of openings in that lounge. A terrible post, but surely not seen as snub by the devs so much as it was by active players who did not even know the lounge was there.
Also, there was a third party post of @mhalttu or @Petri answering @zero about when the Halloween event would start and the overlap and a couple other answers to questions raised in a forum other than the community foru m. This information may have been put out in the forum the question came up in, but why not answer it in the COMMUNITY forum? Provincialism. Not conspiracy.
Yeah, all of you are top tier players and yet i see a huge difference in weight on the opinions.
Not even mention all the other not-top-players that put very much effort testing and expressing feedback to never see a single response.
Bof, maybe i’m just malicious. But it really start to get on my nerves.
It is logic and understandable in every context to have preferences. And they surely pick the better guys for that.
But you have to give space for other sometimes, show you listen to them and you are interested in all the feedback and all the kind of players.
And i can’t really see that right now.
3 Likes
Oh well. Missed out this time, but I’ll try again next time. Of course I’m disappointed, but I understand I’m just not what they were after, or my application just didn’t impress just how much I am engrossed in the game.
As with Hero Summons, sometimes the odds just aren’t in our favour.
C’est la vie!
3 Likes
Oh my goodness, no matter what SG does, or doesn’t implement, there are some who bring up the conspiracy theories amd then wonder why they weren’t chosen/selected.
At the end of the day there is constructive criticism, lets have more of that than the destructive kind.
Also, I’m not in any of the top alliances…maybe one day we will reach that goal…but I could be part of the Illumanati 
4 Likes
Okay, you trolled the conspiracists; but, lack of constructive criticism here is due to a lack of having anything to criticize.
1 Like
While I am not a beta tester for SG, I am a beta tester for the company I work for.
Several years ago I’d just started in a new position, in a new department, so had no clout. Our team was pulled in to help with testing a new project. Without the aforesaid clout, I found it difficult for the devs and PMs to listen to my concerns. Several times I had to enlist the help of someone who DID have their respect just to be heard.
It took about a year of consistently making good suggestions and reporting defects before I was noticed. Although it was frustrating, I don’t have a problem with them not listening to me. I understood that they needed to know that the voice they were listening to was presenting well-thought-out information.
I realize I don’t work for SG, but I can’t imagine there is much difference. Those that have the ears of the developers have earned their respect. I hope there is an openness on SGs part to listen to others as there are some amazing voices on this forum. Of course I can’t say for sure, but I believe there is. I think this thread is evidence of that.
2 Likes
Where is the conspiracy boy? Here there are no conspiracies, there are influential people that nerfean heroes in beta for perhaps personal reasons.
I will guess the person(s) you had speak up for you gave you some sort of feedback. This is where your analogy fails, imho.
There are many strong, sensible voices making strong and sensible suggestions in this forum; however, those voices often do not know if they have been heard. I am not saying those in the lounge are not speaking for us, but if they are why is nothing being reported out?