Where did I say FTP was the wrong thing to do? Never have, i said at a certain point a person has to make a choice and deal with the choice they have made. But complaining about what other people do with their money is not your concern, and it doesnt matter how many heroes you have if you cant learn to read a board or defense, pay, free, or otherwise.

No idea why you FTP always wanna get upset like someone is downing you guys, but you act like everyone that spends is doing it to poke at you guys. I have 3 kids and run a business, I would be a fking idiot to be setting alarms for a video game every night.

Try this, most spenders spend because they dont have the time to sit and play for hours, they have Bill’s, and jobs, and appointments, repairs to make, children to get to.and from school, doctors appointments to go to, groceries to buy, a divorce immanent from a wife who hates games if we dont get off our fking phone, ya know the ■■■■ you gotta do to survive, and if they like a game they wanna enjoy it so they spend to make up for that extra time they dont have.

Stop acting like all spenders are the antichrist cause trust me we dont think all FTP are living at home with their grandmother’s. All of the venom in the post are from you guys numerous paying players have spoke up for all of you FTP, however I cant find one where any if you have one thing nice to say about the people supporting your habit.

You complain about the predatory nature of the game but don’t see anything wrong with a peron setting alarms and spending countless hours staring at pixels instead if gettjng up and I dont know Going to work maybe? What is it you gained again doing all this? Hmmmm.

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I don’t think money can compensate for gameplay time… money can’t buy experience… neither player level exp, nor battlefield exp.

Au contraire, I don’t blame spenders, it’s their money, not mine, might as well burn them if they choose to. I just support f2p. E&P’s f2p career can be ample and satisfying, all aspects of this game are available to f2p players and there’s nothing but time and luck separating a f2p from a whale. Some whales chase the HOTM doing hundreds upon hundreds of pulls and still end-up not getting it, while some f2p get it from a single token pull… There is no need to pay money. Just play for fun. And think this. All things come to an end… There will come a time when you’ll quit playing or when the last E&P server will be shut down. At that moment f2p will only have the “sleepless E&P nights” to regret. P2W will have both the “sleepless nights” and the money…

Oh, by the way, got a link for you :wink:

See, being f2p can be fun!


I have nothing against a person being FTP for the thousandth time, help out plenty of them myself, but I have a problem catering to people who wanna take shots for other people. You literally just said that because you spent more time playing that makes u better than a Spender which is bs. He still has to play and level his heroes justblike you and sometimes is fighting wat tougher opponents earlier than you meaning he has a harsher learning curve. Some people could drop for time, j never cup drop as j need to be able to face the toughest opponents I can to help my alliance in wars, cup dropping would simply undermine that.

I dont spend in events yet make it into brackets to recieve items when i compete them so I must know a little something. i spend hours practicing all kinds of combos of heroes because that’s what the game is for.

You constantly bash people who spend yet if they say something back you are offended. I will continue to advocate for subscription only play for games that co tinue to grow and purchase and play for those that dont. No one deserves anything for free that others spent time and money to create, those guys degrees to make this game wasnt free believe that, proud to see people getting what they worked and paid hard for.

I’m a c2p allaince I hope to see you in a war so you can show me i cant play lol

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Huh?! Where? I said “I don’t think money can compensate for gameplay time… money can’t buy experience… neither player level exp, nor battlefield exp” and I stand by what I said. That has nothing to do with me being better than anyone.

No I don’t and no, I’m not…

Who said you can’t play? I certainly did not, because I have no idea who you are or what skills you got…


I see. You just like to slide in some remark in just about every post you make, that make yourself seem highly biased :rofl:

  • “Everyday I see post after post where these types of players are brought up and every single part of the game seems to center around all of these people having an equal experience, however in everyday life people are separated by these same things and for good reason.”

  • “I dont wanna be working next to a murderer or ■■■ offender just cause he needs a job like the rest of us”

  • “The constant catering to people who arent even willing to earn 5 dollar a month is ruining this game and many others.”

  • “From real life experience, I have the most trouble in every department in more than 20 locations with young adults with the same FTP mindstate about life as they have in these video games.”

  • “FTP -it is a choice that you made. You are saying I’m Not willing to Invest any money Into something I find entertaining that I know is not free, yet I’m gonna complain all day cause they let me in.”

  • “what is a fa t is the same kind of FYP players that have the complaints I see here are my worst employees by far,”

  • “Spenders and FTP players are in totally different spectrums of there lives in most cases and a guy listen ing to a guy who spent five dollars complain for an hour will be a lot faster to be angry with this person if he spent a grand and hasnt said a word.”

  • “Do I wanna listen to someone who lives in his grandmother’s basement and eats potato chips all day complain about what he doesnt have when I work 60 hours a week?”

  • “FTP dont like me.neither do a lot of whales buying… C2P players we vet along just fine and have many great and funny conversations”

  • “FTP doesnt wanna spend so finds cheap ways to win above their level and call it skill”

  • “others spend so as not to be grouped with people they dont want to be around, just like getting a house in a neighborhood where your car wont be missingnqhen I wake up in the morning”

Narcotic drugs also tend to have the same effect, yet THOSE are banned ?
By your logic, would you advocate to legalize Heroine ?

Is a family who got evicted from their house due to a husband/wifes gambling addiction any better off than the family getting evicted due to husband/wife’s drug addiction ?

You think that making money by exploiting people with a dependancy problem is OK, others thinks this is not so ok…
Question is, where or at what do you draw the line ?

  1. 3400 is an imaginary line. Everyone can reach 4000 TP from TC20 alone. And that 4000 TP players will probably survive well in the Diamond league.

  2. What does alliance wars even have to do with this ?

Have you considered that these problems may not apply to everyone else ?
Least I heard free healthcare and less working hours per week were actually a thing.

Does this mean you support the illegal drug industry and child labour ?
Since you don’t seem to support how a company makes it’s money I mean…

I hear the heroes you own, end up owning you…

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Just a reminder to please keep the conversation civil. Forum rules can be referenced here. I’d point out the following two specifically.

  1. Be civil and do not flame or insult other players. Nobody likes a troll. No matter how fired up the discussion, please be civil.
  2. Respect all players and staff. Bullying other forum members or disrespecting staff is not permitted.

Thanks for keeping an eye out L.K., no worries, we’re all civil here. Just debating a difference of opinion, no insults, no personal attacks, war axes are burried deep :wink:


I am a very cheap c2p I understand the odds and nothing owns me I have a lot of real life friends who play here with me and we have made some good one since join. The social aspect of knowing j will talk to some of my friends who are to busy to be able to see each other regularly can catch up together here.

I have friends in other states that this makes it easy to just say hello how r u doing and inlike the challenge of seeing what I can put together, with the roster I have, and hear the stories of teams others use being we all have different heroes.

No I dont support heroine use by any means but I also dont support that alcohol was legal for umpteenth million years while marijuana was not until recently. Everyone going to a casino knows the consequences and any addiction is bad for anyone be it caffeine, drugs, whatever that person doing they need help.

However i ran legitimate stakeing businesses when online poker was legal here in the states and made sure to set budget and spending limits on players in my camp so that everyone not just myself profited for there work, also went as far to help them make B.O.P.'s for themselves where investors paid for there time and effort thus thwarting there possible personal finanacial whoas.

I cant change what’s legal and what’s not but I can do my best to not let people fall into problematic tendencies. Just like my post on a spending budget i use myself in this game among other things I have posted to help non spenders and c2p as myself avoid the gambling nature and take it for what it is. Entertainment. My personal dislike of the FTP model is no different than his dislike of the gacha mechanic.

Thanks for all the input it’s always good to hear others point of view and to recieve Information to put those points of view into perspective.

I at no time was trying to offend anyone just state my beliefs as anyway else so if that is how it came off totally my apologies. Debating different points of view can lead to heated debate but that’s just it a debate and I’m all for agreeing to disagree. Appreciate your time and comments.


Thank you for the entertaining read. I admit I skipped a lot of the post once it started to go downhill somewhat, but it was entertaining nonetheless. I am grateful to you both!!

Free entertainment for all!


Debate is good - otherwise we will all just be screaming in echo chambers, something that seems forgotten these days.
In that spirit, thank your for the exchange :slight_smile:

Though sometimes one must wonder, just how much human potential is lost to an irrelevant screen…


Pagare un prezzo giusto ma qui non è così

Moderator translation

Pay a fair price but this is not the case here

Everyone are p2w.
Everyone work 30-90 seconds a day, SG earns some $ per ad and pay their players with a couple of gems and a potion.
Then some players feel that their 3h of yearly charity work for SG is not enough, so they spend a few extra 100 dollars per month.
Should someone complain about this arrangement, half the people here will inform any such non-conformists, that it is SG’s given right to exploit people with more money than common sense.

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Isn’t this just a copy paste of what someone said before?

Lol @SirGorash @Sidhekin

Following from the other thread

If you want examples of generalising or stereotyping FTP it should be in this thread.


Needs to be a separate thread for the dozen or so of us that discuss (argue) about it. We will have it up to a 1k post count in no time.

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Or… we will have this thread closed after 10 replies :joy:

I’ll post a proper reply when I’m at home @FrenziedEye


@FrenziedEye I never posted anything about generalizing or stereotyping. That wasn’t what my involvement was about. I was only trying to point out intellectual dishonesty… People leaving our critical parts of quotes and claiming they were being attacked, stuff like that.


Holy crap, it looks like I really bowed out of the forum just in time, with threads like this. Comparing video games to real life. Paying players are “respectable citizens with clean criminal records and good credit history who pay their taxes and are entitled to all the good stuff” and F2P are “a bunch of no-good criminal louses who are probably on welfare and mooching off of all the stuff we paid for”.

@#%ing seriously? I don't even know where to begin with this kind of bull...excrement. Do I start with going into detail about how life itself is unfair? Credit histories and background checks... do you know how many millionaires and billionaires are criminals who have filed for bankruptcy multiple times? Ugh.... again... @#%ing seriously…

Or should I go into a rant about how video games are supposed to be about fun, and multiplayer competitive games should be about SKILL and not ability to pay? Oh but obviously people with more money are just naturally better at everything, and since they pay to make the sun come up and the world go round, they deserve to just win automatically… why even bother with summons and competitions. Just enter your credit cards and whoever pays the most gets #1 global ranking, because they’re obviously successful, which means they’re obviously better than everyone else, automatically.


Nahhh you know what, part of me was kind of missing posting here, but nope.


This is a forum where you can post whatever feelings you have just like everyone else. Dont think anyone has ever said anything of what you are saying lol.

Paying players are the best players? Never said that at all think the actual phrase used was that just because you purchase if you cant learn to read boards and combo heroes money wont mean a thing.

Using real life analogies to explain that EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD there are cultural, financial, religious, personal,…etc reasons why people are separated, thus addressing that a gap between typed of players is no different than the things used in real life to seperate different classes of people. And you just said it yourself some of the biggest criminals in the world have enough money to cover it up.

Multiplayer games used to be the best thing ever. You pulled out a quarter and if you lost you had to wait in line. Miss those days.

Spending money here doesnt garuntee you anything g but gems and whatever items came with the deal you purchased, well known that cash cant just buy you #1 global. If you actually tried to get there you might know this.

Thnx for your sentiment but that’s all I see is the same twisting of phrases and trying to deem someone bad because they dont see things the way you do. This post can die like the other one. Nothing new to see here :slight_smile: good luck in your games

I think the problem is that english is not our main language. So misunderstandings occured between us @DoctorStrange

I seriously wasn’t trying to deem you bad. I was just stating my opinion. I think it was kind of childish of you to call me deluded and kid. That’s where things went bad. I said some stupid s$#t too though. I’m not making excuses here.

I think I’m just fed up with all people who put groups of people in the same bag. Not all whales are the same, and not all f2p are on welfare. F2p aren’t the only people to complain. I’ve read whales complaining that they got zero 5* after several 30 pulls.

Everybody here is just a player regardless of how much or how less they spend in the game. And we all have the right to an opinion. There are no best players in the game. I agree with that.

I’m fine if threads like that die tbh. Animosity between players with different styles of play is just silly in my opinion. I wish we were more respectful towards each other, as a f2p, as whales, ctp or whatever. All of us are grown ups afterall.

Anyway, end of rant. Have fun guys :wave:


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