Not sure how this applies to what I saidā¦?
You also should know that while Beta Testers say āxyz is too powerful, we suggest this!ā usually SGG donāt listen/ implement the suggested nerf but instead do their own thingā¦
Consequently when Beta Testers suggested that Neith was OP in original release, and suggested that she needed some balancing, SGG were the ones who actually decided and implemented the nerf.
Itās worth noting too that the preliminary feedback from Beta regarding the CHANGED Realm Bonus is that it is now probably a little too littleā¦
As in it went a bit too far.
Suggestions have been put forward to:
a) leave the realm bonus as is & add back the Family Stack bonus (but at the same ratio as exists for S2 & Event Family Bonuses)
b) stagger the Realm Bonus itself (as per @bobiscool suggestion above) so that it becomes more powerful with additional unique realm heroes.
Again, its early days with this new Beta Build so feedback is still dribbling in as testers get time to test.
Are you not a Beta tester? Iām going off the idea you said you would suggest buddies idea. Iām suggesting these heroes coming out are not as powerfull as all these threads make them out to be. For example. GM is not as intimidating as he once was because emblemed heroes handle the dot easier. S3 heroes have to be stronger because six months from now they will be facing 18 tiered S2 heroes. ( and note: when emblems first came out it was said on the forumns it would take 2 years before we would see tier 20 defences- the emblem rate has increased and in 6 months only my d is all tier 18). Look, I appreciate all the people on here that do the ā mechanical mathā but what they are not taking into consideration is the mechanics of the defense being maxed out on defense/offence. My maxed 5* are way different power level then my 18 tiered maxed 5*.
The Realm Bonuses have already been reducedā¦?
See here for the updateā¦ Also the Original Post has been edited by one of the Mods to reflect the new build.
The previous beta build was definitily over powered in teh S3 hero favourā¦ You had Strong Hero Stats AND strong hero specials AND Class Bonus AND strong Realm Effects AND very strong Family Bonus (stacks) all together on one heroā¦ Was just wayyyyyyy too much compared to the older heroesā¦
Not sure what youāre getting at with the bit about the emblemsā¦ S3 heroes were eligible for the same emblemsā¦ So if they were strong already with all those bonuses then got a +18 on top of thatā¦ wellā¦
May I ask. When you ātestā these heroes are they being realistic and fighting fully emblemed S2 heroes? See, I think a lot of the good players on here āBuffaloā the masses into Nerfing everything so they donāt have to worry about it. Iām tired of getting sub par heroes.
May I ask, is there any point where youād consider a hero to be OP, or do you think no matter how strong new heroes are, itās fine because you can afford it?
For the record, I am a hugely vocal supporter of buffing up JF; I wrote dozens of long posts explaining why itās better to err on the side of slightly OP than having another mediocre hero. My post history is proof. In case you somehow seem to think Iām one of those people who " āBuffaloā the masses into Nerfing everything so they donāt have to worry about it."
They get tested against everythingā¦
On offence they get used to face whatever raid defences get set upā¦ Some are the same as in live version of the game (i.e. real game) and others are set up specifically with the new Beta Testing heroes.
Get used against titans, in map farming etcā¦
I think that you are a bit one-eyed in your approach hereā¦ Just as much so as youāre insinuating about Beta Testersā¦
What I personally (and from what I can tell the majority of other beta testers) advocate for is balanceā¦ When a build is released which is too strong COMPARED TO EXISTING HEROES, a nerf is suggested. Similarly, when a build is released with is to weak compared to existing heroes, a buff is suggested.
Like I said before, the exact degree of this buff/nerf is not determined by Beta Testersā¦ That is Solely in the control of SGG & their developpers. beta Testers can only make suggestionsā¦
So the most commonly touted one is how Beta Testers ruined Neithā¦ WRONG.
Beta testers said that the original build had too much happening when you factored in everything in her special skill, all at Average mana speed. Comparisons were made to Justice (240% AOE with blind at slow) and Guin/Drake combo.
The suggestion was made to alter her slightly to bring her back into balance with existing heroesā¦ SGG decided what that looked like & hence the end product.
Itās also worth noting that for Neith, when she returned to Beta post changes, the feedback from testers was unanimously that the nerf went too far at average speedā¦ Suggestions were made by all to either increase her speed or give some of the direct damage backā¦ but ultimately SGG released her as is with no further changesā¦
So in summary:
So yeah, I would ask that Beta Testers stop getting blamed for all the āunderwhelming heroesā as they are not responsible for the final productā¦ thats entirely SGG who decide which feedback to implement and the extent of that feedbackā¦ All testers can do is adviseā¦
Actually, emblem give more benefit on DoT than direct damage.
HP emblem increase enemy survivability lineary which affect both direct damage and DoT. (No advantage between direct or DoT)
Attack emblem increase direct damage exponentally but only increase DoT damage lineary. (Advantage for direct damage)
Defense emblem cut direct damage exponentially but do not cut DoT. (Big advantage for DoT)
Conclusion:
Both direct damage and DoT got the same effect from enemy HP emblem. However, while the exponential direct damage increase from attack emblem is countered exponentially by opponentās defense emblem, DoT linear increase is not countered by defense.
Guvnor, you will not find one comment from me on here āblaming beta testersā. I simply am suggesting that these nerfs are going to far and āmost playersā ( not saying specifically beta testers) do not take into consideration all the factors. Example- GM is not the overwhelming ābeastā heās made out to be. Emblems - are not 2 years away from tier 20 ā¦ they were 8 months. I just read in a thread above they have changed the bonuses- now they are too weak etc. Trust me, most top players are not afraid of taking out better heroes- it will be done. I will suggest that threads have 1000s of comments before heroes are released and itās all conjecture- quit nerfing heroes- the new ones need more power or itāll just be the same bs forever
And buddy, find me one player in a top 100 alliance that āactually fearsā GM. They donāt. Iāll find you1000 comments on here though that say he is OP
Anchor and other 7DD alliance members give Gravemaker A+ rank, they are not only from top 100 but top 10 alliance.
No one is asking for a GM nerf either. So do you think all future heroes should be so OP that even top players who spend $10000s canāt beat with their current teams?
Bug: I killed X and everyoneās pants came down. How come they have no pants?
Solution: Oh itās the realm of no pants dw
It was a general comment directed at everyone rather than you specifically.
This is exactly what Iām sayingā¦ Beta Testers donāt do the nerfsā¦ They have no control over the degree of nerf (or buff) that gets applied between releasesā¦ Only can advise based on their experience testing the heroes in all situationsā¦
So I would argue that they do take into consideration all the factorsā¦ As I said, the heroes get tested everywhere against everyone available with all combinations of emblems, no emblems, family bonuses etcā¦
Yep heās an A+ rating. Again, ask Anchor or find me 1 player in a top 100 alliance that fears GM ā¦ there isnāt.
Oh I am sure there has been some people that spend 10000 lol. But, itās another falacyā¦ most donāt spend anything close to that.
No ones asking for a GM nerf? They arenāt now but Iām sure I can find you all kinds of threads when they were. Itāll be the same if they release a hero that āhas more powerā. He will be beat. The sky isnāt fallen every month, the game isnāt going to be unbalancedā¦
What I am talking is that DoT got more benefit than direct damage in talent system. Whether top player afraid of GM is irrelevent as most have plenty strong heroes (what hero are they afraid of?), what is relevant is that GM is still premier hero even after emblem implementation.
@Texas1970 just to be clear, I am not talking to you about OP or not OP, I merely disagree with this notion:
Attack increase direct damage exponentially but is also countered by defense exponentially, furthermore it got countered by HP lineary, so emblemed heroes handle direct damage easier.
Meanwhile attack increase DoT lineary but defense do not effect DoT, only HP counter DoT lineary too, so in full-emblem system, hero handle DoT similiar to how they handle it in no-emblem system.
I only started this game in Jan 2019. I donāt know how the game was like before GM came along. But Iām sure that before that time, there were other heroes that were considered top heroes that the top players used.
Now with GM, Ursena, Kingston, Finley etc, those old ātopā heroes are no longer top; they are no longer competitive because of these new heroes.
Thatās fine, because it took a long time to get there.
Thereās a huge difference between gradual releases and a sudden influx of heroes that completely break the game.
To p2w players like you, it makes no real difference because you can just pull any hero you like anyway.
But what about all those f2p and c2p players who, after working hard and saving up for 2 years finally have a competitive bench? All of their heroes are now suddenly obsolete, and they are no longer able to compete because of all these new heroes. What do you think thatās going to do to them?
p2w players are always the minority. Without the support of the masses, the game will die. And p2w players like yourself will have no one left to play with.
A slow increase is acceptable and perfectly reasonable. Suddenly completely changing the game and making old heroes irrelevant is not.
I use GM as an example- cause arguably heās the most OP in the game. But, we just went through a bunch of threads where this new Feb. HOTM would be āmore powerfullā so they nerfed him ( like the past bunch of times). My point is- if no one is afraid of GM does it not stand to reason we could take on a few more powerfull heroes and manage? You just read the same scenario play out about the. NEw S3 heroesā¦ they already nerfed them lol. Somethings broken and itās not OP heroes that they want to release