🧪 Early Information on General Hero Balance Updates [Part of The Beta Beat v37]

[TomSnow]

@Guvnor

Aegir:

• Defense all allies get increased from +30% to +35%.

Aegir is an okay tank. This small tweak will make him slightly better. Yes, why not?

@Guvnor

Miki:

• Duration of Silence increased from 4 turns to 5 turns.

Miki’s main purpose is titan fights and any kind of tournament with ranking. He’s a beast there. Also, in Mana Rush wars/tournaments he’s pretty nasty to fight against. Therefore, I don’t think he should be made even better.

@Guvnor

Noor:

• Sparrow Minion HP and attack increased from 25% to 30%.

Very happy to see this. Unlike most others here, I think this is a considerable boost and will make Noor quite good - not in all situations and matchups but in some definitely. Also, with 30 % base attack, her minions will be pretty strong if boosted by Freya’s ravens (and maybe Frosth)

@Guvnor

• Domitia:
• Damage increased from 410% to 440%.
• Thorne:
• Damage increased from 480% to 490%.
• Leonidas:
• Damage increased from 365% to 415%.
• Obakan:
• Damage increased from 260% to 310%.

They are all heroes which are rarely used now without costume. In particular, Obakan’s 260% are really weak (more like a 4* hero special than a 5*). Thorne’s special already hits quite hard, but only if his attack is boosted to above 700 (and most players will have better targets for the emblems).
Overall, these boosts absolutely make sense to me and Iike them.

@Guvnor

• Horghall:
• Damage increased from 235% to 280%.
• Justice:
• Damage increased from 240% to 285%.

True, both heroes are quite weak outside of Mana Rush wars/tournaments. However, a boost beyond 270% without also boosting Quintus does not seem like balancing (also Costume Quintus would be a lot worse than normal Horghall with 280%).
I’m absolutely in favor of a boost for Horghall and Justice – but a smaller increase would be sufficient. Also, Quintus, C. Quintus, and Elena would need a boost if balancing should be the goal.
Horghall: 240% → 260%
Justice: 245% → 265%
Quintus: 270% → 280%
C. Quintus: 235% → 250 %
Elena: 202% → 215 %
C. Elena: Do not own her and have had few fights against her so far, so I cannot judge if her special is already good…

@Guvnor

Khagan:

• Damage increased from 360% to 380%.

I actually think the last boost made Khagan an already quite good hero compared to other S1. I don’t think he needs another buff.

Oh and BTW. When will Dawa and Vlad be buffed? True, they are “only” 3* heroes and, thus, have little impact, still they are very far below par and would really need a considerable buff.

[Zathrus]

Max Quintus (no costume bonus): 747 attack * 270% = 2016.9

Max Horghall (ditto): 657 attack * 280% = 1839.6 + debuff

Justice: 609 * 285% = 1735.6 + blind

So, no, Horghall and Justice don’t deal more damage. Base stats matter. A lot.

This isn’t saying that Quintus shouldn’t get a buff too, but saying that he’s worse than them after this doesn’t pass the sniff test.

[crsh]

I think the guys can’t completely see the problem with Noor. That hero may start working if set to fast or average+effect. Her minions are fine already, not the part to work on.
I know they want to keep Freya and Bera more effective so that people are pulling on Valhalla, but right now Noor has no use in the game (unless the only red 5* available).

Horghall and Justice are going to be buffed in costume mode as well? Otherwise, there’s no point.

About Justice’s buff, mind fact that her damage is pairing Thor on his third special. Weird.

[Zathrus]

@crsh

Horghall and Justice are going to be buffed in costume mode as well? Otherwise, there’s no point.

I’m all for these buffs, but I also wonder about costumes for ALL of these heroes.

@TomSnow

When will Dawa and Vlad be buffed?

Never. They must remain the laughing stock of E&P in order for TRUE balance to be maintained. If Aife can’t beat them up, then what’s the point of this game!?!?

That said, Dawa costume is actually pretty good.

[averagejoe33]

Good point mate, I should have put %, I do feel the blind and debuff are a very good compensation for the lower damage output though

[HerogRu]

It’s not enough for Noor. Bera and Freya still underclass her.

[Guvnor]

Please do not drag the discussions about Noor and her usefulness of lack thereof here. You can wage that war with Homacles on other threads (just search Noor if you’re so inclined).

The topic here is specifically regarding the balance changes

[AnomanderRick]

For me, Noor is completely useless. I don’t have her. If I had her, I might have a different opinion.

In any case, NO hero is “completely useless.”

[Savo]

Some people obviously don’t have brains.

If Horghall and Justice with this changes do less damage it doesn’t mean they are worse than Quintus.

Quintus do more demage becouse he has bigger attack, not because he is better.

[Hexa]

Hi @Guvnor,
Season 1: Looks like only 5* heroes will be balanced here. What about the 4* and 3* heroes?

[Guvnor]

If they aren’t listed it isn’t in this beta.

[Tidyup]

I love that you preemptively did this in anticipation of the Noor king’s fury. You need to pin this as the main topic because this will easily be lost in the sea of disappointed Noor comments and Ultimately when the king himself graces this thread

[Hexa]

It’s sad! These heroes are in demand in Events.

[Tidyup]

Why don’t they up Thorne to 500%? A much satisfying number to see

Why would Aegir even get a buff on upping defence? He has aged poorly in this meta. That 5% defence up probably doesn’t matter

[Cheds]

I’ll take Khagans buff everyday of the week. A hero I use a lot (and I have one of those shiny sparkly rosters too)

He’s already doing well…now 380% to all 3? Woof.

[Andrie]

Did they sorted the heroes by random for buffing?

Honestly at this point buffing damage from s1 heroes mostly will just… buff their damage. no buff/ailment improvement…only damage. Their stats are still trash. Sartana’s ATK and DEF are a joke.

Does anybody use Justice and Horg as damage dealers? (Quintus cries in the corner). I’m thankful they’re stronger, but really? Only them?

Domitia’s buff is the bestest imo. If you compare her to Uraeus she’s mediocre. Leo is also less insignificant now.

Now… the HOTM (I’m already laughing)
AEGIR, MIKI and NOOR ONLY

Ok. They really randomly selected them, right? Not that those buffs are bad (is Miki’s necessary though? I love him already).

There’s a massive list of HOTM that does deserve a buff even those stupid non-s1 are coming that I won’t list because everyone know who.

Thanks for the balance update, SGG every love for s1 is welcome… but you know that’s not what we’ve been talking about.

[averagejoe33]

Reds my Strongest colour but I ascended him after his last buff. Nice to see he will be better again, might have to use him more now

[averagejoe33]

As somebody with 0 Atlantis, Valhalla and…whatever season 4 is called heroes (level 68! and can’t get luck in any of these portals) I’m glad my Season 1 5*s are at least being made slightly better to combat some of the newer heroes

[Tidyup]

Depending on how cynical you are though. While my first though is that yes they are addressing the S1 power creep, but that’s all? Thorne gets like what? +10% skill damage, that’s nothing compared to the monsters out there.
This is like the laziest batch of buffs they put out.