Do not spend on this game. it is not gaming but gambling

For all players out there this i have achived last night with this team wich is not p2w

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We’re far from a “top alliance”, but our leader requires at least some activity once per week (more if you inform the alliance). I give out lots of tips all the time because I want us to be a top alliance one day, and the only way is to have everyone on board trying to win against titans and wars. We are fighting our 5* Titan (not my personal first, but it is the Alliance’s first) and we know we are going to lose at this point, but this alliance has just defeated it’s first 4* and we’re stoked! You’re welcome to join. Look for Steel Curtain (name of alliance).

Just an offer, and I know it’s not a great one, but I do think that we all could use some help sometimes.

Congratz @PanzerV1986!

Good work!

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Don t know wath you want to say with that but heh wath would you expect ,to stay there forevar ?!:))

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I think plenty of people realize the idea of “you’re not guaranteed anything”, but I think people really don’t remember what a “Gacha” is, and it’s hard to make that connection. I always appreciate seeing this post, because I was a Gacha child, and blew almost every quarter I had on those machines. This is how we know that this game is not “gambling”.

In a gamble you have the real chance of walking away with nothing. With a Gatcha, you always get something, just maybe not what you wanted. There was a time that I wanted to complete a collection of “Clowns” from a Gacha, and I must have used over $50 in quarters. At first, I kept getting new shiny clowns. Then I would start getting a few duplicates with a nice new one showing up every 7 or so pulls. Getting that last clown was what broke the bank. I remember getting so angry. Started claiming that the guy who filled it intentionally left him out. I eventually got him, but I think that frustration is what some of these people feel when they seem to have just poured resource after resource trying to get that one hero just to not get them.

It makes it hart for me to tell them “sorry, you’re promised nothing”, when I have been there before.

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I guess that begs a further question…when you say access wrt Heroes and Mats do you mean have, or just a shot at getting? because you do have a shot at getting them - just not as good a shot as someone who pays a lot more than you might.

If you mean that you have all those Heroes and Mats on your team and in your inventory, then I can see why you think this is P2W and would agree with you that using that definition E&P is P2W.

As a side note, I know a few players in the top 10 alliances and have talked to a few more. None of them have all the 5 star heroes. Now maybe some do, I certainly didn’t do an exhaustive poll or anything, but the ones I know and have talked to don’t.

I think that is a very reasonable definition.

I have to be careful what goals I set, I can be very type-A when I set a goal and drive until I get there and let the collateral damage fall where it might.

So I gave myself a year to raid into the top 100, and I think I could have easily blown away that goal, but because of my alliance (more on my alliance in a bit) I decided to focus on growing my bench for wars and on titan killing rather than just focus on raids. I still think I’ll get to the top 100 within the year and feel pretty darn good about where I am.

Now I mentioned my alliance…there isn’t a rule that I had to focus on wars and titans, I did it to help the team. And most of my alliance does the same. We mostly all hit the titans, and mostly all use all our flags, not because we will get booted (miss too may and that would happen - but there is a fairly liberal rule on this), but because we don’t want to let the team down.

Why mention the alliance - well because I know this topic is about winning and I will not be as corny as to say being part of an alliance like this is winning, but I will say winning is one path to satisfaction, and for me being part or a real team is another. And it will keep me hear far longer than winning at any goal I set myself.

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I guess I should have said “reasonable” access to game content. I don’t feel like 1% or 2% chance at a hero is reasonable, especially when you need a token that is impossible to get without an extremely lucky drop or from dishing out cash. Then you need several specific ascension mats that are very rare drops, dictated solely by luck. Even if you do get lucky and get mats it’s only 1 in 5 that are actually for the hero you were lucky enough to get. I don’t want every hero or unlimited mats but it would be nice to have even 1 5* that I could ascend to max.

I agree with you on the Heroes. But with rare quests you do have a steady diet of all the unfarmable mats. It’s not fast, but in approx 2.5 months you should have one of each unfarmable. So in a little over a year enough for a rainbow team. And that assumes no other drops - which I have been collecting mats (especially 3 star mats) at a faster pace than I get them from rares. It was actually waiting for the right yellow hero that delayed my first rainbow 5 star team, not the mats which I had enough of by 6 months in.

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And you think it should take over a year to max FIVE heroes

You are 100% spot on.

The term “win” in this game is very ambiguous and has 26462873837920 different meanings because in this game you don’t “win.” There is no end of game (at least not yet).

Are you talking about 5* or in general.

I am now maxing my 2nd and 3rd 5* since I started in January. So it will take me probably a year or more to max 5.

It is what it is. I just play the game with what I have and what drops for me. I am improving and that is a “win” for me.

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5* heroes are the strongest you can get in E&P. So yes, it should take at least a year (perhaps longer) to collect enough ascension materials to max a rainbow team of them. If players don’t have the patience for that, they can always spend a bit of money to buy ascension materials when they are available, or go play Angry Birds.

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The forum is full of Angry “Birds”…

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Brobb describes the foundation of this game. This foundation is pretty clear to everyone, because the entire discussion is based on this.

Why would SGG change the initial foundation?
Why would they change the foundation of the business model they use for E&P?
Why would they in fact create an entirely different game?

They would have to if either the player base it’s numbers decrease significantly or if they are not making a sufficient amount of money.

They do not have to if some players who try out the game don’t like the initial foundation.

Often people write '‘quit if you don’t like the game’.

I understand that is easily said, but if you really don’t like the foundation then I think it’s pretty much what you should do. :thinking:

There’s so many other things to discuss about in order to improve anything else than this.

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I have been playing for 235 days and am close to my first maxed 5*. Two other 5s are on the way, for the remaining two colors I still don’t have enough mats.

I am telling you this because for me, it does help me give a feeling of “accomplishment” and joy to see the first 5s slowly getting there. Of course, it takes a long time and sometimes I wish that they’d be maxed already. However, it helps me enjoy the game: the feeling to gain an essential 4* mat is great, and the same holds for receiving a nice 5* hero. I would not have the same feeling about the game if it wouldn’t be this rare to get the right items/heroes as it is.

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If Small Giant was a store, they would have gone under a long time ago.

Ehh, if small giant was a physical location they would be a casino and with a decent location, those do fine.

Recommendations on spending are the same I give when anyone does any type of gamble/lotto: Only spend as much as your willing to lose. That doesn’t mean as much as you are willing to spend to get what you want, but how much you are willing to spend and not get what you want. This is the amount that causes no anger, buyers remorse and minimal fustration. After that much is spent, walk away whether you have what you came for or not

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A lot of people that spend on this game don’t even know what they gotten themselves into

I’ve seen countless threads of people complaining that they hovered over the hero they want to summon and don’t get them

On the other hand everyone knows how a casino works