Do Elemental Defense Debuffs and Regular Defense Debuffs Stack? Why use them together? For instance, Grimm, Tiburtus, Gormek, Buddy or Wilbur with Guardian Jackal, Falcon, Panther, Arthur, Frida, Nordri, or Evelyn. [MASTER]

They stack with tremendous effect.

I use them in a trap defense against blue attack on my tank to a good effect.

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I hope that helps!

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Alguna imagen con 2 reducción de defensa en el enemigo isarnia y halcón por ejemplo

I am trying to understand this post, but if you have the two heroes you are fuzzy about, it’s good to try them out on the map, choose some strong levels to enable you have longer time to fire their specials at a strong boss.
Then you can check if they stack or not by just pressing and hold on the boss.

If you have Kiril and boldtusk… does it matter where you put them. In this chat I’m a part of, someone said you want BT to the left of of kiril because he has a higher attack percentage and it will lower once they both use there special. Is this true?

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Yes, since the defense fires from left to right, it’ll be better to put the highest of overwriting specials on the ‘rightest’ place.

But if another order was a better support for or the tank, that would get priority.

Both ready same turn rarely happen.

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Thank you… I thought they stacked. I’m happy I asked.

Let’s says that you got Wilbur and G. Falcon.

Wilbur debuffs defence while G. Falcon debuffs only defence vs fire.

Does it stack? If yes then how exactly is that calculated?

  1. Yes
  2. Its calculated to give mass quantities of dmg to the enemy.
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There is an official master thread on this,but it doesn’t answer the “how is it calculated” question.

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@Kerridoc

possible merge and a good question that I don’t see answered other places on how damage calcs work when stacking.

To the best of our knowledge, the debuffs stack multiplicatively.

Example: You take Grimm (34% general defense reduction) and Jackal (-54% Holy defense reduction). The target’s effective defense is (1 - 0.34)*(1 - 0.54) = 30%, or a 70% defense reduction.

Remember that this goes into the damage calculation inside the exponent. The general formula says expected damage is proportional to (Attack / Defense) ^ 1.35. So a 70% reduction in effective defense basically quintuples the per-tile damage.

This multiplier is damped down by an unquantified but confirmed tempering of the damage as the ratio of attack to defense gets very high. You probably won’t see the tempering much unless you have big stacks of the color.

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@Kerridoc: How do you know who stacks and who overwrites? It seems complicated and confusing. :thinking:

I’ve been playing E&P for just over a year. This is my 1st online RPG and im getting the hang of things, but figuring out these finer points has been a challenge. If you could go into detail (ie: give lots of examples), I’d appreciate it. :blush: I guess what I need are some hard and fast rules to go by…if there are any.

From what I understand Wilbur’s defence down (-44%) will stack with guardian falcon, jackal and others similar element defence down. I know that it doesnt stack with others like kiril and grimm, and regular defence down.First I would like to cofirm that is indeed true, and second if someone could provide some math.

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Well it is true
But be careful as some elemental defense down heroes like Evelyn and frida will also remove buffs from enemies, and sharing damage is considered a buff
Also what kind of math you are looking for?

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Yes, that’s true. Wilbur and Falcon stack their defense down and elemental defense down ailments.

Explanation is here:

Taking Wilbur + Falcon would be:

(1 - 0.44) x (1 - 0.54) = 25.76% remaining defense against fire, or a total -74.24% defense reduction against fire.

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thanks !! that’s exactly what I was looking for. So fire Wilbur, then falcon, and then say colen, and he would hit like a truck. I’m guessing more than Wilbur, BT, Colen. thanks to Expired also… great insite.

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The reduction of defense is not that dramatic as it seems from this calculation.
One would think that with 25% left of defense, every shot from a fire hero would do at least 4 times the damage. It’s not happening.
Each debuff adds more to the damage and the numbers just add, not multiply.
Fire Kelile, she does X damage. Fire Kelile after Wilbur and she does about 60% more damage.
Fire Kelile after Falcon and she does 70% more damage. Fire Kelile after both and she does
130% more damage (so expect X*2.3 damage). Do not expect 400% or you’ll be dissapointed

Please educate me on this subject.

Specifically, I’ve been advised to use both a defense down and am elemental defense down against titans when going mono + Ranvir.

I don’t understand how this is beneficial. How does Buddy, for example, help score titan points when I’ve already got Evelyn for Elemental defense down? Again assuming mono green + Ranvir.

Thoughts?

Both shields stack for a cumulative high amount of def down against tiles of the element.

With both downs and 2 att up boosts active at the same time, a single strong tile can deal up to 10k of damage in the waek point.

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What olmor said. Elemental and regular defense debuffs stack.

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