I’ve noticed this happen a bunch of times, but I finally remembered to record a Raid so I could screenshot it.
Inari’s buff is active
Joon Blinds an enemy
The blind enemy targets a non-Rogue ally
The hit is BOTH Missed and Dodged (according to the popup text), and a Fox Minion is produced
It only seems odd to me because I would think that either the Blindness or Dodge should proc first, instead of both.
In practice, if the Dodge procced first, the outcome would be the same, except the Miss presumably wouldn’t show. So I don’t know that it actually matters other than display, it just seemed a bit odd to me.
Screenshot examples:
Joon Blinds Arthur, while Inari’s buff is already active, and without an existing Fox Minion:
It would take some correlation coding between the dodge & blind rolls for 1 to recognize the other i believe
For what it’s worth, i think the blind roll would happen first but that doesn’t mean the dodge roll will recognize the miss roll
Reason i say blind would roll before dodge, is because unlike dodge or rogue talent, the miss % is triggered upon attacker firing and not when the special hits the opponent which is where the roll for dodge should happen
I believe general confusion theory could work into that as well
I’ve been using joon & inari all day coincidentally
Didnt notice what you noticed though. Think the weirdest thing i saw(which worked as intended) was nearby targets dodging effects of alasie, sesh, & kingston which isn’t a bug but still weird to see if you haven’t seen it yet
I’ve never seen that happen, and use Drake and Joon together in a lot of raid teams. If the blind causes a miss, the secondary effects from the ability also miss necessarily. That said, for the viability of Inari, it is necessary that she either roll first or roll regardless of misses or class skill dodges. If she didn’t that would be a big disadvantage for her, particularly as a yellow
I’m far from infallible (just ask my wife), but am going to humbly request a link. It is entirely possible that it has simply never happened in all of my time using Drake and Joon
I see what you’re getting at there, but a dispel is known to be separate from the hit and function differently than status effects (why Mitsy used to get dispelled by Frida and Sonia despite the reflect) and rolls independently for each opponent.
It DOES stand to reason that if dispel rolls separately that status effects do as well, but I have personally never seen it happen in a LOT of blind usage. I do understand that it is impossible to prove a negative, and that my experience is still a relatively small sample size.
OK, I think we are arguing different things…since what I was saying is damage is separate from the special. I guess I didn’t read your post well enough - and my mind was on the original response…which is that the damage missed, and the special was dodged.
Yeah, I think that they just have Inari programmed to roll regardless of whether or not a hit was determined. My guess would be that it is too much of a hassle to recode the game to restructure order of operations (or that monkeying with order of operations could potentially create some weird cascading of problems for other interactions, as with Mitsy not reflecting the dispels), but Inari proccing her dodge is so crucial to her useability (as her benefit is not just damage mitigation but also an hp gain and mana gain) that they didn’t want her to miss out on opportunities to proc when a rogue talent, wu, or blind creates a miss and would otherwise make her miss out on an opportunity.
I doubt that very much…there are very easy way to code that kind of thing that are easily extendable. I think when the special goes off it checks for misses (blind and wu/ravnir type effects) and then if those get through it checks on other cases…in this case (just like wu) when a special goes off it checks for damage and effects separately.