From what I read above, Vanilla bluestacks is not the issue…adding additional programs that CHEAT the system would be against TOS. 
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So if extra programs can be added to it, which it can, why even allow it?
This is how it’s been handled in every game that I’m aware of.
Emulator use to play the game, no problem… various 3rd party programs to exploit the game environment REGARDLESS of what the game environment is run on, problem.
To be fair, PC ~= Mac > Android > IOS in terms of ease of pulling stunts, but that’s not a bluestacks issue.
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Android users could do similar, and I don’t think SG is going to disallow Android :). Apparently you can still root a IOS 11 device so that’s not immune either.
End of the day you have to trust the developers to catch and address exploits. Really the correct solution is allow people to be attacked anytime in my opinion for the one that’s been mentioned in this thread.
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As far as I know you can’t run scripts via bots on android which you can do on a computer.
I do see a good number of reasons why people legitimately use them, such as ones copper mentioned.
with as many bugs as this game has do you really think a great number of people wouldn’t and are not already exploiting this?
Its an issue for massive concern. A third party add on that allows infinite log in, constant farming, keeping tower empty and other in game processes.
The fact that SG has said this is OK to use and as rook mentioned given the green light to others to use without making it publicly known is rather disgraceful as well.
They clearly stat in tos that stuff like this is not acceptable, yet here they are saying use it at your own risk but you won’t banned.
The playing community deserves a very clear and detailed stance on this from small giant, to not only what is allowed with but other ones mentioned and others not yet addressed here.
I thought it has been clearly stated in this thread three times: use of PLAIN bluestacks (not overhauled to cheat cheat cheat), FINE. Use of additional third-party cheaty tools is against TOS, not allowed, and you will be caught and booted. 
(You keep not hearing this. Are you not listening?)
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Seriously rook?
How do you expect SG to monitor additional apps to a third party app.
Blustacks alone is a third party app, yet not stated in Tos that it is acceptable.
Why did SG give the go ahead privetly to certain individuals and not the generally gaming community.
If you can’t see the way people can exploit this dont come here being a defender of it applications.
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It’s not even really hard to do on Android, I can load third party (or my own) applications easily… even in something pretty closed like a Kindle I can do that.
Bluestacks isn’t the problem.
Other programs on the system running Bluestacks are.
If you are aware of an exploit, either forward it to SG or post without explicit user details here I suppose. I’m pretty certain looking at the fluctuation in the top 50 that people are still logging off to sleep at least, if you know differently that’s worth SG’s time to address.
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“…Covertly gave the okay to certain people…”
I’m not reading that between the lines in the one post by SG. I think perhaps you have in mind “certain people”. If you think someone is cheating, please by all means report them to SG.
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SG should have what baseline behavior for X Y Z member looks like.
For enforcement of this example, you simply go looking for patterns outside the norms… if they look at your account, or mine, or Rook’s, or a number of other players I imagine they can pretty easily see we log off pretty regularly.
If they look at Arien’s, I suspect they’ll see he’s on a lot except when he sleeps. That’s not a crime and he’s on IOS FWIW.
Then it’s just a matter of looking through the logs (which I know they have) outside of that… if you have an action every 5 minutes or whatever (I’m not actually certain what the idle timeout is) over the last 96 hours, pull out the ban hammer.
That should be pretty easy to pull out of the logs; humans have to sleep, so if you have a pattern where there clearly isn’t sleep, even sophisticated bots are going to get caught unless they mimic human behavior so precisely to render the whole thing moot anyway.
End of the day we have to trust SG to enforce such things, as it goes to the integrity of the game.
I would note that while Bluestacks is a third party program, it is not designed to modify or interfere with the service as written in the current TOS. If I write a stupid little script that performs a click at X,Y coordinate at a given frequency, that script is the issue and is clearly (imo) a breach of the TOS.
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I’m not even going to pretend to know what you IT savvy people are talking about in detail, the way I see it from perspective of technologically challenged individual, the use of any enhancers or help tools is plainly unfair. I can understand what you are saying, in some cases this is completely harmless… but I agree that it opens a can of worms to what is acceptable and where the boundary is crossed . And again the different options different devices can give you to potentially abuse this third party programs , not fair… I would like to hope that if sg doesn’t have tight enough security in place to prevent this, they would at least have a monitoring system in place to alert them if individuals are exploiting this.
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Bluestacks is not in any way an enhancer or help tool. All it does is allow one to run android programs on a pc. That’s it. It will run pretty much any Android app in the world, this isn’t an issue that’s unique to this game. And there are plenty of other emulators besides Bluestacks. Scripts can be written for any OS, and frankly I have no idea if there are any scripts for this game but in the end, this is probably one of the least worrisome games I can think of when it comes to scripting. I can’t imagine what one could write that would provide a huge competitive advantage. There is zero competitive advantage to having 3000 cups vs 0 cups other than bragging rights. Level 40 over level 20 gets you a couple extra maximum action points and some room for a few extra heroes. Big deal. The only advantage I see is if it could somehow get someone more 5* heroes or ascention items, but I really don’t see a way scripting can help there and if it could, it could be written for android or ios as well.
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Ok folks… terms of service clearly states that it governs your use on a mobile platform. Cell phones, iPad, tablets are mobile platforms. A persons computer is not. Never met a person that carries their desktop computer around with them… hence the term of mobile.
Simple is simple and fair is fair. Use what’s set forth in the guidelines when playing the game. I understand using something different for the forum as there are many that help compile a lot of data and help SG and the players a great deal.
In the game, if one person has a advantage, regardless the size, then that very thing is creating a disadvantage for others. Remember people, this is a game. Just play fair and be honest.
Mobile platform in this case refers to the Android operating system.
I would suggest your argument wouldn’t hold up in court, and therefore shouldn’t hold up here. End of the day SG arbitrates this and has already declared Bluestacks = OK.
To reiterate Marlenus’s excellent post, it’s just an emulator, that’s it, nothing else.
For anyone: please explain the advantage someone gets from using Bluestacks as an emulator… other than perhaps not having to spring for a cell phone, which TBH, is somewhat ridiculous in a first world economy these days.
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Obviously you have no idea how easy it is to use a third parties emulator and how to mask it by using another emulator. When you are on a computer, you can pretty much write any type of program/script to run the game for you. If you don’t believe me, just ask blizzard. (Use to work for them). The problem with this, SG knows there are not any limitations once they have this on their own computer. So for them to say that it’s ok, is a disgrace to those whom work hard and play fairly. How can you defend someone who doesn’t play the game, but let’s his computer play it for him. Nuff Said.
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How does one determine when another player is using an emulator? (I’m asking as a fellow player here).
For instance, I play A LOT…someone else who does not might accuse me of cheating. At which point can one prove the accusation, rather than guess?
As a Moderator, I remind everyone that if you have an accusation of cheating against a particular player or group, please contact Game Support, in-game:
Menu > Options > Support (other issues)
“Naming and shaming” is not permitted on the Forum.
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When you’re online for more hours than a human being is capable of staying awake normally, that’s a pretty dead give away you’re either using a program to keep it online or handed your phone to someone else (i.e. a third party, not allowed) to keep it online.
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Took the words right out of my mouth Dante. Ty
This is rich.
I won’t name drop but there’s an excellent chance I know far more about both emulation and scripting than you since I know where I rank on that front… especially since some of my jobs have been doing exactly that for companies literally everyone has heard of.
I know exactly how easy it is; I also know probably far more about the technology than you do - Bluestacks used without 3rd party scripts or programs is just fine, it’s just emulator nothing more. There are actual apps on Android that do similar without even having to go through the admittedly minor task of setting up Bluestacks. It’s taking that extra step, that’s where the problem is from a gameplay perspective, but it is still Bluestacks++.
I get that you’re angry, they likely should’ve had a better solution before now and that is a fair critique; however, vomiting on the forum doesn’t reek of maturity… try a little default respect on the Internet and you will assuredly get more in return.
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It’s not just blue stacks. I used NOX to run multiple instances of another mobile game. The exploit that seems to be troublesome is a macro running so that it never logs off. You can potentially ban someone for doing this, but it would be difficult to actually stop this from happening.