Attack vs Defense & the value of Defense vs Health (raid data)


#1

I believe the whole “what’s the value of defense” debacle has not yet been solved. Is health better? Is defense better? How much damage does it reduce? Etc.
So I figured I’ll attack some random fella and look at damage knowing the defense ratios.

I picked an enemy who doesn’t have any defense/attack modifying heroes.

Let’s look at his front line hero, Caedmon:
Defense 637
Toop: +13% defense

Attacking with red gem, Kelile [attack 661, troop +18% attack]
42, 42, 45

Attacking with green gem, Melendor [attack 681, troop +15% attack]
21 23 21 21

Attacking with yellow gem, Li Xiu [attack 660, troop +15% attack]
22 22 44 [crit]

Skill test:

Enemy hero: Colen, defense 446, troop +12% defense

Dance of fire: 473 damage <Kelile [attack 661, troop +18% attack, skill does 320% damage]>
Slash of Seven Blades: 191 damage <Li Xiu [attack 660, troop +15% attack]>

Enemy hero: Hu Tao, Defense 631, troop +17% defense

Slash of the Seven Blades: 122 damage <Li Xiu [attack 660, troop +15% attack, skill does 150% damage]>

Does it tell us anything? Not me cause math, but hey. I thought I’d leave it here in case someone was curious :stuck_out_tongue: I’m not sure more data is needed. It seems pretty consistent in general and I got deleted by Mr. Colen while I was trying to do science so I couldn’t continue the experiment sufficiently long.

It would appear that it’s something like…
150% of 660+15%x660 equals 122 on 631+17%x631 defense?

Blarghu blergh math. I’m out lol. Feel free to add your data, make sense of it, or proclaim it to be a wrong way to check things and simply bs :stuck_out_tongue: That’s also possible. Cheers.


#2

I’m with you on Blerg math!

I was told way back when that I should look at DEF first, then HP when determining the value of a Defense Raid card.

Naturally math would help right about here in determining WHY def matters more than hp. Don’t ask me about Atk. :grin:

waits for the Math greats to show up


#3

Well, Kelile has pretty good defense (4th out of 4*), crap HP (the worst out of 4*), and she’s regarded as a squishball in general. She does die a lot for me. Tiny sample rate though. In my experience Gormek is much harder to kill though (best HP out of 4*, 4th worst defense out of 4*). I have noooo idea.

Joins in waiting for the Brains to help.


#4

Doncha just hate it when the lessons we learned at the beginning are NOT the ones we ought to remember? :grin:


#5

Way to hard to math %s and rounding numbers.

All i know is defense is important. If you want to give it a shot, run 23-11 with a low 3* defense hero and watch them totally get trashed. My Maxed Gormek takes 1200dmg from the special skill, while my rigard take 850ish.