Yep exactly. The minions are by far the biggest annoyance/threat, as any ailments you put on the center trio theyâll just reflect right back at you the next turn.
With those annoying beefy minions gone, cKiril can easily flip the berserk, and any dispel-3 such as Frida/Evelyn/Onyx can then get rid of the HoT as well.
That being said, if you have Frida, cKiril+Frida allows cSkadi to reliably destroy those minions (maybe Frida alone is enough, havenât tested, and is a good way to use her minions against her.
In fact my M&M team always have cKiril-cSkadi-Alucard as staples, with the remaining two slots changing depending on the rest of the team.
I know people are saying that snipers are just not great in this meta, I disagree. For me, there are time I just need a target gone. To have someone like nemesis that hits nasty hard in 6 tiles is awesome. Iâve been using her quite a bit and could see use for this guy. I almost have him at 3/70. Leveling him slowly so it may be a while before I can comment but I think he looks good. Cheers!
He is a good supporting sniper in a 3-2 stack. Pairing with Toxicandra. Usually there is one opponent with less than 50% HP from tile damage, Athos can eliminate that target quickly before he/she cast. The minion effect doesnât do much in my opinion. Usually when the opponent has more than 2 minions, good luck winning or it will require a more powerful minion removal hero. Single target doesnât do much.
The plus mana also doesnât help much, 2 minions are less than 50% mana, which means you canât max with just 1 match. So whatâs the point. Athos needs buff on the minion mana gain to 25%.
Well⊠comparing sniping ability first and foremost
Athos
Base stats 843/725/1553 (before emblems, LB)
Damage 470%, destroying minions first and bypassing defense buffs
Very Fast
other stuff: free mana from destroying minions, Cover, retaliation family bonus
Phileas Fogg
Base stats 832/727/1339
Damage 420%, dispelling first
Fast
other stuff: EDD, reduced special damage first 3 hits, Underwild gem thingy
In terms of pure sniper, Athos hits faster (even not counting free mana), hits for a higher % with a slightly higher base attack stat, wipes minions first, but bypasses rather than dispels defense buffs.
In terms of utility, Fogg dispels (and not just defense buffs) and does EDD, but both of those matter more against targets that arenât going to be outright killed off by sniping (e.g. titans, major bosses).
âThat is, dispelling or tagging EDD doesnât matter against targets that Athos can just kill outright.
What about bringing them both, Athos and Fogg out in a green 3/2 stack? Think they could get along just fine, being the gentlemen they are. Donât think Athos is capable of 1 shot a opponent with full health.
Theyâd probably work decently together - I mean, itâs not like I donât regularly bring multi-sniper teams myself (yes, yes, itâs what I have)âŠ
though I will say that, in my experience, at least much of the time a sniperâs job isnât to bring down a hero from full, itâs to bring down an opposing hero whoâs already battered by tile damage and/or by an allied hero whoâs already hit 3/hit all/applied DD.
(This is one reason that, say, Khonshu is so powerful: not that he takes down an opponent from 100% or 150% hp, but that he is a powerful finisher and that when he does finish an enemy he can fire again in a single match-3!)
to put some numbers to that, just taking into account the mana speed, attack stat, and attack bonus, Athos does about 151% as much damage as Fogg.
The comparison gets even worse when you consider the elimination of minions-as-temporary-hit-points, and the fact that there are some defenses that are undispellable (e.g. Krampusâs, dispel blockers, etc).
Fogg may still be better on color stack teams, but individually? Against a minion heavy team? You can get Athos down to a 3 minion + 2 tile recharge.
Must be nerfed. Wth??? Very fast and insane damage? Then what about Malosi, Margaret??
So huge power difference in this game.
You are nerfing winter family minions hp and attack but M&M still pain in the â â â .
People are complaining non stop. Cuz there is no balance anymore.
Just pulled Athos when the event began. Pretty stoked to have someone who can fire immediately after Fogg, with me no longer having to wait for Frigg, Quinell or Vainamoinen to fire 2 turns later.
