Ascension materials - An appeal to quit being so stingy with them MASTER

This must be the first time i’ve did this [with AMs - i do track my 2 TC20 tho].
So i’ve tracked somewhere on my phone when was the last time i’ve got an AM; we have 8* 9* 10* titans [9* is our comfort zone, 8* only when we have like really bad boards and not everybody is focused]. I usually hit B A even A+ [when i level or use a potion] on titans and do like 2 monster chests and one raid per day.
With all this above said the last AM i received was a week a go; in the meantime i’ve got Kiril, Justice, Melendor [and still have tons of 4* at 3/60]. I only have 1 pair of gloves and 2 compasses.
Wont add anything else, this ish speak for itself…

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Totally agree with you Vinny on the unbalanced gap in the game! And the feeling of catch 22: you have to do well on higher class titans to get ascension mats, but the only way to compete with the veteran players is to have ascended heroes!

And even knowing it’s a game of chance, it totally sucks to get the short end of stick every time and not once find something useful in a chest…

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I do have to agree with this. My husband has pulled some great 5* and 4*. We use to kid about him being so lucky on his pulls. He now considers himself unlucky and frustrated because he won’t be able to ascend them.

It’ll be kinda of our own faults because we are very casual players and just play the game together. We aren’t into AW, so it’s just the 2 of us battling 1* and 2* titans, so you know we’ll never get those coveted AM.

We are a bit C2P, but we aren’t well to do, so we keep the spending low and use wisdom on what and what not to purchase.

For now it’s still fun to play, but there will come a day when we will be leaving because there will be no more advancing because quests and missions will be too difficult to play because our heroes will be too low in power. That’s the way games are though. There will always be an ending. You store good memories of play, then move on to the next game.

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agree with every word written
not only ascensation mats are in huge lack, also training camp pace is almost not allowing you to grow up your heroes. they sure have a lot of work to do regarding this.
new heroes of the month and events are welcome, but before they build 5th floor, they must finish 3&4.

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Why are those 4* mats so rare? Like, what’s the point in that? Is it somewhat important and essential that players turn frustrated with their 70lvl heroes? They wait and wait and wait and wait for 4* mats to come, and when it arrives it’s not the one you need…

Those 4* mats does not have to arrive every day but current pace is way too slow.

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I encourage everyone who feels that they are not getting enough ascension materials to track your drops over the course of a few months. There’s even a thread dedicated to doing just that:

I did this and found that I was averaging about 30 non-farmable materials each month from free sources, which was much higher than I thought. If you find that you’re getting significantly less, you might be missing opportunities for material drops:

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As far as I can tell, it seems that there’s mostly relatively new players that express their concerns
about scarcity of ascension materials here.

I can certainly understand the frustration of not being able to max out the hero’s you have, and this is a spot every player experience at certain periods. First, when you get your very first 4*'s and maybe 5*, and later, when you are working on your second or third set. Eventually, it’s the 4* items that will be the limiter, while 3* items will pile up.

If you decide to spend early on, do some rolls and get some nifty 5*, you will realise that you got these kickass hero’s prematurely. Most likely, you also got some 4* and decent 3. These are the hero’s to focus on for the time being, and the sooner you understand this the sooner you can start enjoying the game (speaking from my own experience).

This is a slow paced game, and ascension materials are there to make the game last longer and to avoid a bottomless pit of class difference between millionaires and normal players. As it turned out, I never maxed out the very first 5* I got, and it took me about 7 months to max my first (usable) 5*. Did I have fun during those first 7 months? Yes indeed!

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Maldoror is 100% right.

If you spend your food and trainees on 5*s before you have a bunch of usable 3s and 4s up and running you are shooting yourselves in the foot. The 5s are a lot more resource hungry.

If you care about wars you want to have 30 heroes to use, and even if you don’t, if you want to raid or complete rare quests (with guaranteed mats) and trials then you need those 3s and 4s. Stop trying to run before you can walk.

(Also, hi Maldoror, I think I just revenged you :slight_smile: )

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@Perilin. Thank you so much for the explanation!!!

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People moaning after only playing for a couple of months… you shouldn’t really be trying to ascend 5* heroes. I have been playing for 5 months and now have a rainbow fully accended 4* team with other 4* on the way. I have 3 5* i have at 2/60 which i will start to ascend after i have finished the current 4*. Now i have a strong 4* roster i can complete rare quests for the materials and get good results in titans and wars. People rushing to get 5* too early are just going to be disappointed. The game is designed to be the way it is so you progress naturally.

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Yes well but did anyone mention 5* specifically? I for one benched mine after reading here and learning how it’s done best. My 4* are stuck at 60/3, getting nowhere.

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Ok Kitten.

Then may I ask you a question or two?

Are you in an alliance, and if so, what sort of titans are you fighting?

I spent about a month in a semi-dead alliance. There was some activity, but even with 25+ people we were losing 3* titans on the regular. I never got anything mat wise until I packed my bags and moved somewhere more active.

I agree with you that titan chests are often disappointing, but the best thing with titans is to be consistent. Hitting and killing titans regularly. In my alliance where we’re pretty much doing 8* comfortably, people scoring in the C bracket are still getting loot (not every time, but often enough to tease the As). So maybe you and your hubby need to look for an alliance with bigger titans. Since I joined my alliance, we as a group have gone up a few tiers. We as a group have gotten stronger. You need an active alliance. Some days you win the sweet titan loot, some day someone else does. But if you’re all hitting, the loot will be shared around, in time. This game is a team sport.

The thing is, even if you’re at the bottom of the titan hit list, with persistence, you will get mats. But then, you can also get mats from monster and raid chests. So just making sure to participate in everything and fill your chests every day you play. The more chests you do, the more often you’ll get an elemental chest. Go as far as you can go on the rare quests and trials, Craft some consumables to help push the final levels if you need them. The mats come, with time.

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Some people might say that I’m one to talk because I have spend a fair amount of money on this game and have a full bench of maxed 5* (29 currently).
But I too, have hit the ascension wall, and hard I can tell you. I remember one day where I pulled 3 blue 4* and only had 1 warm cape in my inventory. The best advice I someone gave me and one that I still tell newer players: 4* are the backbone of your roster.
Like @Ggbarnum said, they allow you to complete rare quests, trials, seasonal events and even complete all tiers in the event without throwing huge amounts of items at them.
The drop rates haven’t changed over the years (maybe in elemental chests, I do feel like 4* mats in there are rarer these days), but the real difference with 1 year ago is that ALL players were still building their first rainbow 5* team.
And the offers like yesterday with the gloves and magic orb for 500 gems is, although a little overpriced imo, a good one. You have to consider for yourself whether you want to use the gems for the orb and ascend that yellow 4* or use them for pulls, get the Holy 5* hero you want, but be 9 Orbs short to max both. I’d take the maxed 4* over the half leveled 5* any day…

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I’d like to see a rotating 4* mat as part of the reward for completing the Legendary monthly event. For a majority of players, competing to try to place in the top 10 for those things isn’t worth it. It’d be a great way to help f2p and p2p players alike advance a little faster without drastically affecting the food chain of the game too much.

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In addition to @Perilin: Many alliances take players who perform a little under par, as long as they are good people and show their willingness to work hard for the team.

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Thank you @Perilin for your elaborate and kind reply. I am in an active alliance, we do 4-5 and the occasional 6* titans and they very rarely get away. I would not have a chance to make top 3 without using all the war gear I can cary, and one of the two times I made A* I even used a flask for titan energy.

The alliance also does wars (I’ve done 100%) and I of course do monster and raid chests. Still no ascension mats I couldn’t farm from there. I have read about elemental chests but have never gotten one.

I understand patience is vital for this game and that it’s about slow progress and building a founding for oneself. It seemed so promising and I enjoyed it! But the lack of ascension mats is an artificial and extremely frustrating obstacle. Farming low levels and watching the benches fill up with 1-2* waiting to be food for an entire roster stuck at max before ascension is just not fun, and I play for fun. Not sure I can be bothered any more honestly. It’s a shame though!

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Why you two don’t join an alliance from your country ? Or other alliance ?

Cons for being alone with him:
No Alliance War Chest
No Rare titan
No making friends
Not learning new things
Not growing at good pace

Pros for being alone with him:

You are alone with him…

If you and your husband like the game, chose wisely…

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Elemental chests should be popping up somewhere between 20 and 40 regular chests. I tracked mine for awhile and was pretty predictable when they were getting overdue (47+). They aren’t always good, but they have a better chance of having good stuff, plus gems and emblems. It seems odd if you’re not getting them, I have no explanation for that.

As for titans, the thing people usually talk about is the loot tier. There’s some info about that:

You want to aim for a loot tier IX (or better), for a 6* titan that’s an A+. An A for a 7*, etc.

But just because you get an IX doesn’t mean you get loot, just a better chance (an extra loot roll), and likewise people scoring in lower loot tiers are still getting loot sometimes.

The other chests are all RNG, so it’s a numbers and time and patience. We’re all with you. Every single person in my alliance is missing some mat that seemingly never drops.

The way the loot is spread out can be super frustrating, but I can understand that it is done like that to make sure people hitting in the Bs and Cs are still getting to grow too, and have motivation to keep doing it. After all, alliances would get nowhere fast if all the loot went to the A+ and As.

When I got really mad about it, I started tracking all my loot. I did it for 3 months, at which point I realized it was dropping more than I thought it was. And I stopped tracking.

3-60 4s are still good, I use them in wars all the time. They don’t cost any unfarmable mats, and 4s get churned out of a TC20 fairy regularly. And better yet, using them at 3-60 for awhile gives you a chance to find your personal favourites, so that when you do have the mats you will know best which ones to give those elusive mats to.

Sorry for my big monologues. I hope things pick up for you :slight_smile:

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1st off i would like to say there’s alot of great points from all that I do agree with but there’s always that thing they call REALITY that comes up

New player yes that would be me 2 1/2 months but that means what I spent many hours reading the forum and still all the information needed for new players isn’t easily available. You have to ask the right questions. But as for me, my base, & characters

SH level 17
TC 1 at level 14, other 2 at level 8
Mines 2 at level 16, other 2 will be level 16 in 3 hours
Farms 1 at level 15, 7 at level 14

11 3* maxed with 4 more on the 3rd stage
My 4* team and i do have the AM to do Kashhrek & Chaos but everyone isn’t lucky or have patience and if people keep leaving because of that reason and SG does nothing about it then we all lose bottom line they need to find BALANCE in this game. The only fast fix I can see is AM dropping more so newer players can be more competitive

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Do they, though? I mean, I know lots of people post in the forum say that they might quit if they don’t collect more ascension materials, but I don’t think we have a good idea of how many actually do. It might not be very many at all.

Do we really all lose? Let’s assume, for the sake of the conversation, that the scarcity of ascension materials causes a lot of players to quit. In itself, that still might not be a concern.

The game seems to be popular and successful, with lots of new players arriving constantly and many staying for quite a long time. Maybe the scarcity of ascension materials is one reason for that. Maybe it’s worth losing those players who don’t have the patience to wait around for AM, because the trade off is a game that is great fun to play for more patient players, and very profitable for the developers.

Just guesses.

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