Are we heading to Pay2Win? Plus, other concerns


Considering that in part paying players have no other greater advantages within the randomness of the game other than having more chances at trying, allowing this to paying members only seems fair.

Remember it’s the paying members that allow you to play for free.


Empires & Puzzles S2: The 101 Atlantis Pulls + the 9 Bonus Ascension Chest Loots!

I have to respond … even though that @Ozy1 and I did NOT go along on any other issue before and we end up at distance… but this one… man, dude … I tilt the brim of my :tophat: as a salutation and mark of respect to you.

Thank you.

P.S. …20180806_035519

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Just the place for a Snark! I have said it once

I don’t pay and I agree with you that paying offers more CHANCES to get heroes and items. I have no problem with that.

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Its true tho about the assencion items. Ive been here for 4-5 months ish and cant even max a 4* yet and i wont be able to in the near future. I assume it will take me another 4 months to get 2 warm capes as the rare quest today is for an orb. Makes no sence. That unless i spend money…so basically, unless you get very lucky, takes more or less 6 month to ascend a 4*?

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Thanks, lol

Note though but I am not free playing player, lol because I understand the differences.


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Oh so much replies and almost nothing about one issue, that I think is the main, I am talking about that “crap random” scattering. People there told about needing some guarantee after some summons, titans etc… More than year passed!!! there were something did for that time? NO, maybe even became worse. I am playing with 1 person who didn’t pay anything and he have 8 5* where 3 are HOTM, he have 4 fully ascended 5*. Why I believe he didn’t pay? Because he was always making video of anything gather some tokens, some diamongs (~aprox 1000 a month or near) and making video of summoning… I was making each month 10-15-20 event summons from november till july each month plus some tokens always and … no HOTM and only couple times I got 5* heroes (not event!) and only few times 4* event heroes (merlyn, 2x hawk, genzel, 2x gretel). Btw heroes 5* were Kagan (second after camp) and Isarnia (sorry for translation of heroes, but I believe all understood me). He was just “lucky” while I were screwed by devs. Of course I don’t blame him but it’s not even close to fairness. I believe some people have more bad situation than me. And it’s totally bad and bad and bad and bad … It’s nonsence!

What I mean? @Avicious told some ways to solve some misunderstanding and problems. But nothing good happened for an year. 400 replies there just openly ignoring from SGG. Because one person on vacation and SGG is a small company? Just bulls**t and looooool.

About that random spread, i don’t think they can make something with it now. Even if they could that would mean they just spit on earlier players, buyings, summons etc.

I think it’s time for some ultimatum from playes. At least for some open and vast respond from SGG. In that forum there are only small part of players, but they can affect on others by many sources, don’t think most of players think opposite for problems which were debated there. Sorry if were rude for someone and thanks for understanding.

Just the place for a Snark! I have said it once

Game is avtersized as free. ftp players, if they feel they found a gem of a game and its business model makes them feel like its worth spending a few bucks, they start to spend and tells their friends about it. As a result, it brings more business (more ftp players). Underestimating and stating that ptw allows ftp players to play for free is totally wrong. The ftp pool must be healthy as of the business model of the game itself. Ftp players, while not most of them, becomes ctw and a very few goes to be whales. We all start as ftp and not “im gonna play this game and blindly sink tons of money into it to allow other players to play for free” so settle down cowboy or you’ll fall of your horse

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Lol, I am already falling I think, so before I hit the ground let me say this.

  1. It’s advertised Not avtersized
  2. It’s advertised f2p to attract players into the game as if it where not new players would be hesitant on installing to game to start with and yes spending money is then ones own choice as the game can be played for free continuously.

You are totally wrong because like any business, if it’s not making money then it will cease to exists as it takes many many developers numerous amounts of daily hours, days, weeks and months to not only create this type of coding but to maintain it for people like uou and me to enjoy a hassle free playing experience. Then you have to pay for the servers thst run this, the security, the power involved, the licences needed which all add up to thousands of bucks a month/year then wages etc etc.

If think that this kind of game could be done just on free players then your very much greatly mistaken and have no idea of what you are saying.

So yes it very much is the paying players that make it possible for f2p players to keep playing for free otherwise there wouldn’t be a game to play.

Now as an example all you neec to do look at how many new games/businesses start up online daily and compare that with the ones that don’t make it and close down within the first 12 months (if they last that long), the numbers range from around 150,000 new sites a day and just as many per day close down and at times more close down than are started, why because they haven’t got the funds they expected they would get from opening in the first place.

That’ll a fact


About the gems I dont agree with you.
A steady flow of gems allows me to buy one of the package deals from time to time.
Last was for a compass, a warm cape and a 3* blue trainer hero for 500 gems.

Some people claim they cant ascend 4* heroes because of missing ascencion materials.
Either they are very, very unlucky, have no patience or they do something wrong.
After a good 4 month of play I am maxing now my 3 4* hero ( having a total of 4 of them in my rooster ) and my stash of 4* ascencion materials is steadyly growing.
Luckyly quite some time will pass before I will see my first 5* ( stronghold 18 right now ) so I have a lot more time to collect ascencion mats before I need them. :slight_smile:

On a personal note I got lucky yesterday with a green elemental chest that dropped a shield and a telescope. :smile:

So please keep the gems coming but the 3 silver summon tokens in the elemental chests are a kind of turn off and a nice reward for completing the map would be a really good and motivating idea.

May the RNG godess smile on you more often than not.


Hey what kind of chest was that ?
174k ham, 160k iron and 10 diamonnds ?


I have the whole village at 20 I do not care about food or iron … 10 buds? I do not do anything … even if they were 1000 for 3 stars? the point is that when they put the diamond raid trunks they said they will have climbing materials … they are more than 4 months that I open 2 raid trunks a day and 2 or 3 trunks monsters and I never ever ever ever found a climbing material … NEVER in my house is called scam… Have you blocked my forum account? And I sue you for fraud because I spent happiness and changed what I paid without asking anything … Ahahahaha


Dears, another one bites the dust :wink:
As of yesterday, I have retired from playing intensively.

The rewards were no longer worth the effort, playing intensively without getting a decent ROI was becoming an unwelcome chore, something has happened with my titan hits (wu?), so that have been hitting like a baby for quite a while, and the increasing nerf of all the rewards in the game - while seeing offers to purchase for big money the items that the game no longer drooped from gameplay - was the icing on the cake, so to speak.

Effort without reward is futile.
And “It takes all the running you can do just to stay in the same place” is NOT my idea of having fun. At all.

I am now pottering around comfortably in a smaller alliance. And: I am getting my life back. YEAH!

Oh, this has nothing to do with the lovely alliance that I belonged to. I loved my alliance. But I simply got sick and tired of the game, the way it is now.

Why I'm leaving Empires & Puzzles

Hi everyone and hopefully SG!
I’ve followed this thread with interest the last week and there are lots of valid points. I’m not too concerned with the randomness of boards, wu & raids as losing some makes winning more valuable. But I’m concerned with the drop rate and the odds of summoning something of value to me. And that’s my big point: why not being more generous? You add more heroes with new event and Hotm, you add AW that demands a bigger bench. But the odds and drops doesn’t improve (or as debated get nerfed)? This creates frustration with every gamer that’s part of your core business model. Being generous wouldn’t affect your profits cuz there is always something new to get - and giving it is TOTALLY FREE from your side. But Iets focus more on what we would like instead of the opposite.

My requests:

  1. Add original 4&5* to the daily summon (you can keep the less then 5% chance of getting them there)
  2. Greatly improve the drop rate of AM (we need thousands of them to level all the great heroes we pay you for).
  3. Add more playable content or frequency of old events so we can do something else then farm 8-7 (most of the adventures ain’t even worth the WE).
  4. Add old hotm to TC20 and improve the odds of 5*
  5. Bad luck cap, buyable heroes or greatly improved odds for 5*s in the summons.

All for me and thanks for a fun game and a great community of dedicated players!


I think you’re the one who is wrong, there are a lot of totally free games and what is it? Do not earn anything? Do they do it for fun? they have revenues for downloads, for advertising etc etc … do you think that the bulk of the game is P2W? I could assure without fear of being wrong that for each whale there will be between 50 and 100 F2P and c2P players that are what give life to the game. If the whales were gone there would still be a game to play, if all the F2p and C2p were goodbye game

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When I say you have NO idea it truely means just that.

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We will see who gives the reason the time. a greeting

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Been plying for about 5 month and cant really say if drops has gone worse
or not.
But from my view as a new fairly new player this should be easy to fix
with more adventures.
make it so there is three adventures running all the time
one common for new players
one uncommon for vets
and one rare like shilohdessert where we get those uppgrade mats.
And if you want to make alliance battles more fun make it so alliancemembers can go in and see battles
going on in real time.


The only way to make them listen is to stop playing. If they continue to get good revenue, it means the business model is fine.

Just the place for a Snark! I have said it once

Business model is fine for now but not in longterm. What I see more and more top players are not happy. I’m not top player but I feel the same. Spent a lot of money in the past and now thinking drastically to decrease my spendings. For August I have 50 pull budget (new season is coming). In September around 400 € and from October 100€ max.

I think developers are not stupid they understand very well that every successful game has life span. They are trying to get out of this game much as possible. Look at Angry Birds, was Nr.1 game but who plays it now? Same will be with E&P. Especially with their prices.


i’m only speaking from 4.99 VIP + occasional .99/1.99 purchases. so cannot really relate to how you feel.