Are the summons based on your purchase behaviour? Is SG fair?

it is not worth it. they would lose all the money in law suits and end up doing jail time.

Since the odds are against you. Then the odds really wont get better for you in terms of value for the buck. The more you pull the worse your luck is going to be in terms of value. Everytime you pull, you could turn it around and say that there is a 97.5% chance that you won’t get a 5 star hero. But if you turn a blind eye in terms of value. Then you could argue that you got a higer chance to get that five star since a higher amount of pulls will result in a higher amount of heros, and that includes a higher amount of chances for five stars.

We always pull with high hopes, but also easily lose track of the skewed expectations that follows with high hopes. High rewards/heavy disappointments is the roller coaster we deal with here. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the summon odds actually was corrupt in some way, but it is impossible to say, and even if they where. We would all be influenced in the same way in the end.

I think the main issue often lies in the mix up between high hopes that result in strong disappointment, we might get negatively emotional and want to seek out a potential cause for what may have cause this upsetting feeling. Our judgement tend to be skewed from the start of making a pull in the firstplace since we always hope for the almost “impossible” to happen, to see if we end up to be gifted with the five hero we want and pull for from the start.

Pulls really is a “gift machine” since all we can do is to put hope in every pull we do. A gift is always given from the giver, and a gift are never a gift if it is demanded. Odds is a tool for the average out comes, and sometimes the out comes take another path than the average one.

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I’ve had this theory for a while. Ive spent less than $50 in the last 2 years and my luck with HOTM and 5*s in general has been ridiculously good

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I think what most people don’t realize when looking at the posted odds… is that SG has an obligation to post those odds. They also- have an obligation to “pay out” according to the posted odds. It’s all they really have to do. So, like any casino or lottery- as long as they payout on average - it’s all good. They can very well not give out a single HOTM the first 28 days of a month as long as in the last two days they give out enough to make the “pAy out”%” for total summons. Practically, what you would typically see from a buisness maneuver is a bunch giving out first day- to create a “buzz” and later on the pay out lessened to average out. So, legally yes they can Lessing or increase the pay out as long as they average a pay out as posted. This whole “RNG” thing is absolutely comical- oh it’s random generating but the odds are plugged in and controlled by “ the man”. SG marketing team is very well educated on how to maximize people pulling. This information is not hard to find … most countries will have a “gaming commission” and a set of guidelines. So, quit being naive.

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But ele seems on fire there…
Maybe Richard be more helpful…

On topic I don’t think so… Otherwise Wales shouldn’t need to wale anymore…

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If you review my portfolio, you might see a theme there :wink:

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Such good luck that you turned into Isarnia her self:-P

@genuineness do you want to test your summoning luck while on my account next time? (using your credit card of course) :rofl:

I understand where all of the telluria went now!!

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Of course summons are based off purchase behavior. The more you spend, the more likely you’ll get all the heroes you want. The less you spend, the more you’ll have to rely on luck.

Find your sweet spot, enjoy the game, and quit worrying so much about what everyone else has. That’s my philosophy.

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I really do think the game is fair. I’ve been playing for over a year now. I spent too much at times when I first started playing because I was sure I was supposed to get something I didn’t get. I’ve spent nothing and received 2 HOTM (months apart) and Atlantis 5s (2) on single token pulls and I had a month when I got 4 5s in as many 10 pulls…and of course some pretty cr@p pulls too.:roll_eyes:

It’s not mathematical but my general rule is if I really want something I do 2 ten pulls and if there’s nothing “good” by my definition, I stop and wait for next time :wink::+1:

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That’s what I think too. There are too many people that would figure it out.

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Actually, I posted that gif, @nevarmaor merely quoted it in his reply, he’s just being too nice to call me out.

If this isn’t the definition of “rigged”, what is it?

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:smiley: SG will be probably not happy that you are using wording “rigged” in connection with Empires & Puzzles.

lol I think they know better than to wade too deeply into threads like this one. Of course I was summarizing your own words, but you knew that, you obviously just want to argue.

Guvnor answered your question 84 replies ago, but instead you wanted to play the statistician card and insist you’re right.

You’ve been around here long enough to know there are plenty of mathletes in our midst, including professionals like yourself. They crunch these numbers for fun, like yourself, and there are data sets a hell of a lot bigger than your account. You can listen to them or keep pounding the table, but nothing’s gonna change.

You either want an answer to your question or you don’t. But it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind, so why keep arguing about it?

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Please stick to it. If you are not iterested, do not participate. Your trolling of this thread is not helping discussion.

Using strong words and animations:

and claiming that something was solved, when it was not is not helping the climate here.

Folks, I feel like this thread has reached it’s end as a productive discussion and a hypothesis of whether SG change odds cannot be definitely proved or disproved.

If you would like to have a general vent about your summons, please contribute here:

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I will try to summarize what I have found out on this topic:

We were dicussing whether pulls are trully random and statistically independent or could be based on players behaviour .
For many of us it is important. Most pregnantly it was said by Zephyr:

There are some posts, that are suggesting that luck is not independent (1.3% each time), but there are better and worse times with higher and lower probability:

As well as mine data sample (770 pulls and only 2 hotm after totally average pulls probability in 2019).
This is only 0,27% probability to happen. In another words such a bad luck streak should happen once every 92 years.

So I would say from my point of view, that probability of hotm summon is not 1.3% each time. It comes in better and worse periods, imo. (I know the theoretical answer for this: In trully random pull anything can happen. Even situation that nobody pulls hotm in a month might theoretically happen in true random pulls.)

The question that we did not agreed on the answer was: Could the pulls probability and time of better and worse luck be based on players behaviour?

Answer from AMA did not really helped and nobody queted any better direct answer from SG:

Guy from game industry and possibly laywer posted some interesting points:

We can agree, that we will not agree. For me there are doubts whether or not SG is adjusting probabilities to maximize their revenues (while keeping 1,3% in average). For Disposable and Nevarmaor there are not these doubt.

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