@Olmor
And I’m sure you can put a team of 4* +'s together to crush tha 5* team of +7 & +8
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have my list of 5*s on the rise, I definitely still bet on them for long term strategy. Patience will pay off eventually… And off course there are those 5" I see in other teams that I envy and would love to have. But we ay the best with the hand we are dealt.
@Zeal4living
With the time it takes to max 5*'s, leveling, & ascension materials, now we taking about getting a 5* emblemed to +12 in order to be effective best believe you are about to be in a marathon. From what I have been reading you can max 3 4*'s for the price of 1 5*. Now that’s a long wait especially just for emblems with no idea of which ones you will be getting outside of trails from rewards
If you’d like to see a level 9 Mother North, look up the alliance Crystal Palace, Pandemic has one.
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Wow… just wow… 20 characters my…
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Possibly briefly, yes - but more accurately, they are competitive with un-emblemed 5*s. .
My suggestion is:
Emblem the 5stars on your war defence, and then use what’s left to emblem your best 4*s to keep them alive longer in battles.
Horde reset tokens so eventually, when you get enough tokens, you can pop them on an amazing 5* that you happen to pull in Sept or Oct or whenever.
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I think it’s inefficient to put any emblems on 4* as you’d have to eventually reassign those emblems to 5* - but I understand not everyone can wait for a 5* so popping them on 4* is a viable short to medium term solution to compete in the interim.
It’ll cost a few reset tokens or emblems though
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I found back when I had a diverse, maxed set of 4.70 4* I was able to compete in raids and what not with maxed 4.80 5* without too much effort though poor boards certainly made it harder to recover. Now that I can build my bench of faux 5* with 4* and emblems, I am doing just that, as my maxed 4.80 5* and bench of 4.70 emblemed 4* are having no trouble with 4300+ teams now. So the stats at the end are much better but the dynamic between 4 and 5* hasn’t changed much for how I play.
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its inefficient if you had many *5 ( let say 15++ ) , but if you had less then *4 would help as additional *5 wannabe especially in offensive AW as well as raid tournament
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Isn’t it more effective to have multiple talented epics than a few emblem hungry legends?
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There are some 4* heroes with unique and valuable talents. My rogue emblems are going to G.Jackal, who uniquely has that valuable holy defense-down trick. Great for killing purple tanks (particularly Kunchen). Wilbur is another example of a unique skill set. There’s a thread I started about similar “super 4*” heroes:
Mostly, though, my emblems are going to my best 5* heroes, e.g. Hel and Athena. Sure, Proteus and Grimm are similar, but the 5* versions are better.
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From many things I’ve seen on the forum, four star heroes are nearing being fully emblemed (say, +18 to +20). Five stars are commonly 5 to +8 now.
Four star heroes with almost max talents will often win a raid against a five star team at +5 or so. But that’s more about the dynamics of raids and how the attacker has the edge; it doesn’t make them ‘better.’ Needless to say, that 5 star team would turn around and beat the talented four star team in revenge.
However, that same four star team with emblems probably will not very often win the same raid scenario, where the five stars (with or without emblems) still win. The point I’m making here is that right now we’re in a window of time where four star heroes can compete with five star heroes. Razor has written about this - we don’t know how long it’ll last, but I think everyone expects at some point five stars will be sufficiently emblemed to close it.
What that suggest to me is that embleming some of your key four stars is probably a good decision, especially if you have no five star option in a class. It may not be a viable Diamond strategy long-term, but if you accept that and act accordingly, why not take the best arena loot tier you can for as long as you can?
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Most players - including some of us in high diamond who’ve been to #1 overall, don’t have full rosters of all the best 5*s.
I don’t have Zeline, Magni, Kunchen, Kage, Guin, Ariel, or Gravy…
I run Mono offences, so the rolls that those top 10 heroes would play are often assumed by 4stars.
Running in high diamond and fighting 4200 power team in war, 4stars, no matter how good, can get slammed.
SO emblems allow Kirl+14 and Grimm+20 and Jackal+18 and Caedemon+16 to stay alive longer, hit or heal more, help me keep my cups up over 2600, and help me average 5 one-shots per war.
4 reset emblems collected since emblems were introduced mean I have some breathing space to one day move those emblems.
But the key words in that sentence are ‘one day’… because until I have either Magni or Kage, Grimm makes a lot of sense to have those barbarian emblems on. It makes him MUCH more useful to me. And makes my team MUCH more efficient.
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I have 9 tonics and zero green 5stars with 2-4 of each other element, playing since last September. Waiting for Atlantis (once again) to get some shots at tarlak 
in your situation i would give them to margret or keep them for tarlak or lianna, good luck! 
Magni is a fighter 
but yes, other than that I agree with your post.
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Multiple higher talented epics will stay competitive for a long time (presumably more than 2 years), because legends are so emblem hungry, that there won’t be players with multiple talented legends for long. 30 epics @+8 are probably more versatile than a few legends @+8.
Absolutely, for the majority of players, emblems on high-quality epic heroes makes a lot of sense. That’s certainly what i did on my alt.
My only point was that, even when you get to the point of having >30 maxed legendaries, emblems on certain high-tier epics makes sense. Jackal is the rogue I use the most, and I don;t have a rogue on defense.
Magni is a fighter, but he’d slot into my Blue team in Grimm’s spot, and with Grimm not in the slot, he’d not need the emblems, and as such, if I get Magni, it would change my Grimm priority, and I may move the mats to Azlar or another (currently) lower priority 5*
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I’m guessing 14-16 months, tops. I faced a +9 Guin yesterday
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But that’s only one talented Guin.
With those emblems it’ll also be possible to take 3 epics to +9.
Meta says, no def will be unbeatable, so 3 talented epics may probably do more for you than one talented legend, especially if it’s Guin.
Otherwise this def should be one of those unbeatables…