[Apology, Devs] Costume Wu Kong has hidden potential OR High 4* attack stat with High 4* average mana speed damage all enemies means c+Wu Kong is doing serious damage to the enemy team [Links]

[Gryphonknight]

[Apology, Devs] Costume Wu Kong has hidden potential OR High 4* attack stat with High 4* average mana speed damage all enemies means c+Wu Kong is doing serious damage to the enemy team [Links]

@From another disscusion

Costume Wu Kong v2

I unable to understand version 2 of costume Wu Kong.

(half joking, half not joking)

It is like the mistranslated feedback on costume Thorne ( see notes ) was accidentally left on the desk of the Dev working on Wu Kong.

(¿maybe end joking?)

Silver lining

On the positive side, it is better than version 1.

C+Wu Kong

No Blue, Buff Booster, 4* Tournament is really letting c+Wu Kong kick butt

Team vs Debuff defense teams

Proteus
b.Rigard
c+Wu Kong
b^Boldtusk
Wilbur

b.= base hero, no costume
b+= base hero with costume bonus
b^= base hero with maximum costume bonus
c+= costume and costume bonus
X^Y+Z= Rarity/ Stars X LB Level ^Y Class +Z example b.5^85+15

Team vs Buff defense teams

Swap b.Melendor for c+Wu Kong if defense heavy on heroes with buffs

Notes

Click for notes

Synergy

The synergy is Attack buff ( Boldtusk ), Defense debuff AND enemy share damage ( Wilbur ), High 4* attack stat ( attack 728 with costume ), High 4* average mana speed damage all enemies ( see below ) means c+Wu Kong is doing serious damage to the enemy team

If I get Falcon from HA08, I am power leveling and trying with the above heroes

Average / Fast Mana Speed, Damage All Enemies

1,060.5 ( 707 x 1.5 ) Fura
1,188 ( 660 x 1.8 ) c+Li Xi
1,204 ( 688 x 1.75 ) c+Tiburtus
1,528 ( 728 x 2.1 ) c+Wu Kong

1,337.4# ( 743 x 1.8 ) Jack O’Hare

#= Fast mana speed, not average mana speed

### Loot to get loot

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@Gryphonknight

Use loot to get loot

Miki/ Tarlak/ Ranvir/ Wu Kong can help you get loot to level other heroes including your raid, and war, defense team

Attack versus defense

The majority of loot in Empires is from attacking ( Titans, Rare Quests, Class quests, Limit Breaker quests, Challenge events, AR, VF, etc. )

A strong Raid defense is primarily to prevent wasting raid energy climbing back into Platinum/ Diamond to open a Wanted Raid Chest

A strong war defense is more important than a strong war attacker, since you only need 1x defender to 6x attackers, but a strong war attacker that is also a strong titan / quest / farming attacker will get more loot in the long run

LB Wu Kong

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My first, or second, for Yellow LB will be b+.Wu Kong Lv75 4*+18 ( costume and class node bonuses )

Wu Kong Teams

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Wu Kong Grinder gang v1 & v2

(Wu Kong grinder gang or Powerful rainbow auto play team or Wu Kong plus 4 healers)

Wu Kong Cascade Squad

([Play Style] The cascade squad or Wu Kong+ two healers- New Notes 2019-Mar)

Wu Kong Debuff Duo

(Wu Kong Debuff Duo or Smart Probability or Two Defense Down heroes with Wu Kong)

FIN

[u2371]

@Gryphonknight

Average / Fast Mana Speed, Damage All Enemies

1,060.5 ( 707 x 1.5 ) Fura
1,188 ( 660 x 1.8 ) c+Li Xi
1,204 ( 688 x 1.75 ) c+Tiburtus
1,528 ( 728 x 2.1 ) c+Wu Kong

1,337.4# ( 743 x 1.8 ) Jack O’Hare

# = Fast mana speed, not average mana speed

You forget C Gormek and Agwe (and CB Li Xiu if you want to add her )

[Gryphonknight]

@u2371

forget C Gormek and Agwe (and CB Li Xiu if you want to add her )

These were the Top 5 ( not Slow mana speed ) according to

(New! All Updated Hero Rosters (including costumed heroes, trainer heroes and family bonuses))

Any more data is cool

FIN

[Gryphonknight]

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1,528 ( 728 x 2.1 ) c+Wu Kong

Wu Kong c+4*+18 is 824 Attack, without troops ( if base Wu Kong chooses DEF path )

Looking more, and more, like Wu Kong will be first LB Yellow

Taverns ( edit )

I cannot believe I just power leveled my Wu Kong 2nd copy’s costume to 4* 3.60 for Taverns

Yay Wu Kong costume!

Boo most Classic 4* yellow without costumes!

Raid Defense Team ( edit2 )

I just Limit Break Proteus, Wu Kong ( base and costume ), and Danzaburo ( I also gave Danzaburo 18x class nodes )

Wu Kong c+4^75+18 is replacing Kadilen b.5* 3.70 on my Raid defense team

It will be interesting to see how this effects my overnight trophies

Danzaburo is currently on war defense teams for all War rules

FIN

[Sternman]

I love the Danza love!!

[Gryphonknight]

No

@Player A

Am I right that his own hero class, paladin, will overwrite his own D drop after using his special

Class talent buffs, and talent debuffs, do not overwrite other buffs, and other debuffs

But that means talent buffs, and talent debuffs, can be dispelled, or cleansed, but not overwritten

example

Delay talent debuff and Little John’s mana generation debuff both stack

Protect talent buff and Vivica’s defense buff both stack

Thorn minions

Except for Thorn minions which can bump a better minion out if already 3 minions when Thorn minion procced

War rule Undead hoard minion can also bump out a Thorn minion if already 3 minions when Undead minion generated by the War rule

Still effectively No

5/5 Protect helps mitigate it, but not by very much ( see notes )

Please Don’t Hit Me!

@Gryphonknight

Synergy

The synergy is Attack buff ( Boldtusk ), Defense debuff AND enemy share damage ( Wilbur ), High 4* attack stat ( attack 728 with costume ), High 4* average mana speed damage all enemies ( see below ) means c+Wu Kong is doing serious damage to the enemy team

If I get Falcon from HA08, I am power leveling and trying with the above heroes

Costume Wu Kong is really helped by shared damage ( looking at you Pseudo 5* Wilbur ) or Taunt / Dodge buff ( looking at you Hanitra ) or hiding behind another hero on a defense team to avoid normal damage / tile damage / matching damage ( looking at you double raid formation position #5 ) or position #1, or #5, on attack team to reduce hits from Target, and nearby, enemy special skills

Notes

Click for notes

Math

Math, why must you harsh my buzz?

( 0.8 defense * 0.75 odds + ( 0.8 defense * 1.25 Protect ) * 0.25 odds = 0.85

( 0.8 * 1 turn + 0.85 * 2 turns ) / 3 turns = effectively 0.833 defense on average

FIN