Anchor 7dd and Aegir

I have people sending me aegir vids daily and also testing him in my own defense team along with even testing him in raids. So far I’m still at 2500+ cups, we’ll see how it goes.

The videos being sent to me are both offensive and defensive btw and neither help his case at all. When he is on defense, the attacker can just color stack against one or both of the flanks and he dies pretty fast. People aren’t even using a single green hero to beat him.

He’s pretty much just there, just another damage absorber that provides no challenges to the attacker. You avoid tanks like guin, justice, gravemaker, etc.

Aegir is a target that is used to take out his own teammates. Pretty much garbage from what I’ve seen so far but i am still gaining cups although I’m not being attacked a whole lot, less than normal actually.

Don’t hear or see that done with very many, if any, other heros that are useful as tanks

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The part of my post you quoted was about defense teams which dont use tiles.

For offense best uses I’ve had with him are with another heal over turns healer or a defense buffer and attack buffers. Problem is most success i have had with him has been when I’ve teamed him up with other hotm in my lineup and not regular heros outside of wilbur but the wilbur one is bs since having to double spirit link to make it useful means one of the spirit links isn’t working(let u guess which).

I’ll do some more raiding tonight with him + non hotm and see how it goes

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If i use a slow mana healer I’d rather use alby. For average mana I’d rather go aeron. Compare any other heal over turns healer to aegir, and he falls pretty short.

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Actually multiple but not enough to make a difference. Most people focus on killing the wings and flanks with specials and just use him to bounce tiles off of for mana. Seen multiple vids where aegir is standing tank spot and no one else is alive lol then he gets slaughtered

Exactly, he’s a hotm, an exceptional hero. If he had not done that Anchor nobody would defend him and the developers would repair it without a doubt, they are avoiding their arrangement with those attitudes. But you will have read, do not join with these people …

I have look, that up. But do they release data from attacking teams, titan teams? Most players tend to only look defence teams, when they making decision, which hero to level up. I think, it’s kind of funny way to play this game, since those heroes aren’t usually best for titans or events. :wink:
Same time, I personally don’t even look, that Anchor’s guide, since it’s not useful to me as well. I would like to have site, where players, who have those heroes could comment, how well they work in game play.

I’m kind of anxious to see how this one turns out:

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This.

Is it fair to say most of us ftp or ctp players won’t ever get a deep bench or reach end game until say 5 years from now? If the game is still alive.

I’d be interested to see any stats from SG regarding the percentage of players that are FTP

PS. I never thought I’d say this but I think I’m beginning to understand and agree with you a lot more @Ber

I struggle with some messages, as was already apparent in another thread about Aegir.

Let’s first say that I am not acquainted with, but especially not an opponent of, any person on this forum or in the game. I only attach importance to joint support for our community. So far I think that the discussion about Aegir is a great example of this, but I see it wandering in two different directions.

  1. The strengths and weaknesses, usability and possibile desired improvements of Aegir
  2. Disparaging others’ opinions/work

The strengths and weaknesses and usability of Aegir

I know that the next paragraph revolves around the guide’s rating, but I want you to know my thoughts.

Let me start of by redirecting us to https://enphero.com/EnPHero/Grading%20Scale.html. In order to understand the following I suggest to read the webpage until you
have reached ''Hero Ranking Definition (LEADERBOARD)". Then I compared the GPA’s of the tanks from Hero Pos Top 5 from this list https://enphero.com/EnPHero/Reports/Empires-and-Puzzles-2018-11-10_Reports.html.

I will not look at wether Aegir his GPA scores (or individual gradings per category) are in line with reality or not. I will just compare the outcome to each other. The following can be concluded:

G = Grade, T = Titan, O = Offense, D = Defense

GPA G GPA T GPA O GPA D
Guinevere 3,01 2,4 2,6 3,87
Gravemaker 3,58 3 3,86 3,82
Delilah 3,39 3,2 3,86 3,17
Aegir 3,39 3 3,86 3,33
Vivica 3,13 3,2 3,6 2,67
  • Aegir scores better on defense compared to Delilah and Vivica.
  • Aegir scores better on offense compared to Guinevere and Vivica.
  • Aegir scores better on titans compared to Guinevere. He equals Gravemaker.
  • Aegir scores better overall compared to Guinevere and Vicica.

I will leave the debate about these facts up to you all, because I only have Vivica in my bench. Besides the fact Aegir his usability might depend on your hero bench, game aspect and opponents, it does however all sound very out of line with reality to me.

Disparaging others’ opinions/work

Let’s see if the Guide’s grading seems to be more out of line when comparing other heroes. More testing should be done, I am very well aware. For this example I compared five 4* heroes, which could be used as tank effectively based on the encounters I have had in the past few months. To keep it in line with ‘‘tankish’’ heroes I moved to comparing 4* heroes.

GPA G GPA T GPA O GPA D
Cyprian 2,44 2,2 2,4 2,67
Boldtusk 3,21 3,06 3,6 3
Boril 2,44 2,2 2,4 2,67
Kashrek 2,81 2,4 2,6 3,33
Li Xiu 2,81 2,4 2,8 3,17
  • The GPA of titans seems to be in line with reality.
  • The GPA of offense seems to be in line with reality.
  • The GPA of defense could be questionable, but Kashrek deserves that highest score.
  • The GPA of grade seems to be in line with reality.

I know. This is my opinion. This is subjective. Some might disagree, others might agree. But I would say that the guidance the creators of this Guide give me is completely fine when I want to compare these five heroes with eachother.

I agree, it is strange. In the current state of the Guide I would also have included D-rankings in the overall grades, so that people reading the guide can compare heroes more clearly.

However, I believe that the above comparison of those five heroes in specific is pretty much in line with what we all expect of them.

Another example. I don’t have the A graded heroes. I do have some C graded heroes. I am not sure how to build my defense team. I open the guide and all of a sudden I notice that my overall C graded Yunan has been graded with an A for tanking. I bet @Uclapack agrees with that. But oh no, I also bet she would challenge that overall C grade. Some grades are objective, other grades are subjective but leaning towards objective thanks to all of our joint opinions and other grades are in fact too subjective to be considered useful for the majority.

There are probably more examples to defend and to refute the overall- and specific ratings. The examples I gave can be used to defend and refute it. However, I believe that it does serve it’s purpose well enough in order to avoid labeling the entire guide as ''unreliable, false, terrible, mismatched" or whatsoever. I don’t think that exactly is in line with the reality. I understand that if you believe the guide does not make sense, posts which refer to it might cause you to feel disappointed. I would be also, but that’s subjective again. Not knowing what the difference is between each grade is also misleading. I agree.

But I rather look at it in the way @Elpis described in this post Anchor 7dd and Aegir - #80 by Elpis. Why? Because it takes both defending and refuting it into account and simply sounds a lot more grateful.


Don’t get me wrong. Just because I quoted you @Winters1 a few times doesn’t mean I try to ‘‘attack’’ the points you have made. You often seem to have it right and your opinion brings me to other thoughts and ideas. I also think it’s good that you maintain your view so perseveringly, because the truth must always be shown. Perhaps sometimes the emotional tone in your writing causes the exact truth to be partly distorted, but that is just the feeling I have.

I would love to see more discussions as the one concerning Aegir’s rating inside either a new thread or the existing thread of Anchor. Perhaps there are more hero rankings which should be thoroughly thought about. I believe those discussions would actually contribute a lot to our community and might cause the guide to be become more in line with reality. It has happened before. Perhaps the outcome of the crowdsourced ranking platform will already have an influence.

As the guide will always stay partly subjective, I believe adjustments can be made to make it more objective and thus more in line with reality for most people as it already is now. The idea of a horse and carriage eventually evolved into an electric car, but both ‘‘tools’’ would get me to my final destination.

So, what’s the actual grading you people would give to Aegir to continue that discussion? Using the grades Anchor has been using. Overall, Titan, Offense, Defense wise and perhaps specific in each of those categories also. I am genuinely curious as I have said before, because I don’t have a clue about the hero! If it’s D all the way, then so be it. :+1:

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I don’t think Anchor means any harm to his list. The intent I believe same with his YouTube channel is to just try to help, especially the newer players. It is hard to really know how good a hero will perform just by beta tests alone. I honestly thought my decision to level Aegir was the best option until I started using him. I would think yunan got the shaft because no one really tried him. I can say first hand that yunan has performed better as a tank than guin for my team.

I think it would be nice to compile data from a bunch of players that have the heroes maxed and put together another guide. Not to contradict but to give an alternative point of view. When someone wants to buy something they don’t base their decision off of one review. Not saying that review is wrong, it just didn’t work the same for that person as it did others. I’m in crystal palace alliance and amongst our group of 30 I would think that we would have all the 5* maxed in game (yes even thorne). Maybe I will get with the team and we can make a cp guide to leveling heroes as well. Just a thought if that would help include more points of view

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Personally I find Anchor’s guide a good place to start consulting when choosing a hero to level, but only a starting point. Of the comparatively few leveled heroes I have, I generally find myself in agreement, but…

  1. What specials I need or will find useful for building a new team is more important than the Anchor rating - a useful B or C hero may be more valuable to my bench, as it stands at the time, than an undisputed A grade like Magni, to pick a recent example.
  2. I may have different ideas to Anchor about what makes a hero valuable. It was suggested to me by another player that the Anchor grade for Chao is so low because he’s not really great at anything, but a second best at most for everything. I would personally rate Chao higher specifically because of that fact - when building a team for a war, he’s potentially incredibly useful in a limited bench because he is a generalist who can round out a team of other specialists by covering whichever gap in roles the other heroes miss.

There is a group of people who give the feedback for his guide; i’m sure he’s be happy to get your feedback too.

to the other poster - i’ve always felt chao better than people make him out to be. he’s the second best standard yellow 4 after wu and wu is really hit or miss (Li Xiu is garbage at anything other than tank, where she is quickly speed bumped as you move up to where people can color stack purples or have 80s).

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Runnin an aegir tank at 3/70 and not doing any raids for the next 24 hours, we’ll see how it goes

Have already had that team in place for a couple days now and havent logged into a loss in cups. We’ll see how this big test goes, I’ll try to stay off the game as much as possible

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Then remove, put a magni or a kiril and repeat the test.

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I actually think, Aegir could be useful in higher titans, he could save some items.

And I found one combo, which made him little bit better in tank place. His flanks, where Zimkitkha and gravemaker, but not so many players have all of those heroes.

At 3/60 as well…not really an accurate test at your level. Needs to be 4/80.

For the sake of expierementation I could do yunan, guin, and aegir all maxed stay off for so many hours starting at same cups when I put them in and see what each one gives me. I could repeat a couple times because I have good days and bad days. This way I could get a more accurate average

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Trouble is you’d wNt to shift the supporting heroes some to maximize the team, but it’d be interesting to see the results. I tried fairly hard to get either Yunan or Rana, to no avail, because I though both were excellent heroes. I guess my intuition that Yunan would be a great tank may yet be right.

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Magni and kiril dont have tank stats though, now i could put alasie in tank then kiril on a wing but idk if that would be real accurate since alasie isnt a healer. I’ll be doing some changes as time goes though just to try different things. I really dont care about cups so whatever i lose by leaning a few things about my roster synergy is worth it.

Already thinking about flanking with marj in albys spot. Have a lot of possibilities in mind already

doubling the color of the tank is rarely a good idea, though :wink: