All New Raid Index with Updated HeroesšŸ† August 2020 - Thoughts & Discussion

this data is such rubbish, its not enough to have a win rate without a minimum raids number as well.

Would like to see the rankings for heroes that were in over 10k raids, over 100k raids and over 1M raids for the period. Not just in 100 raidsā€¦ Loki?? give me a break

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Quite surprise to find Vela there.

Usually itā€™s all super expensive hard hero to get lol.
As itā€™s result of not everybody has it on defense or offense. Then the % is getting higher.
Not like our common HOTM

Heavy spenders are more likely to have the special event heroes that are great in the current defensive meta.

Thus, the special event heroes are more likely to have:

  1. +18 emblems or more
  2. Great allies to accompany them (GTV)
  3. High level troops

Not surprising to see Finley and the ever-resistant-to-debuffs Jabberwock on there for defense.

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How is no one discussing the most important piece of information disclosed in this raid index!?!?!?

Well we pulled out our slide rulers and abacuses - crunched the Raid numbers from May 2020 through July 2020 andā€¦

SGG is using Slide rulers and abacuses to number crunch for this gameā€¦no wonder they have some egregiously different data and information from what the players are reporting in Beta or in live game from actual gameplayā€¦

Might I suggest you at least upgrade to this:

I cannot believe everyone missed thisā€¦

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:sweat_smile: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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I feel like this might get more answers as itā€™s own thread? idk, a lot of players have ideas about this that Iā€™ve seen shared over time in other places but it doesnā€™t seem to be getting much input here.

I guess for me, these game-wide stats are interesting but donā€™t have much ā€œuseā€ (for lack of a better term) to me or my alliance. Pretty much all premium heroes, mostly just dream fodder for FTP/CTP. I like to see them just for interestā€™s sake, but alliance-specific stats would be more meaningful to us. Really, any numbers you could run per titan, per war, per war chest, per week, whatever could be very helpful.

For example, some I do by hand:

  • Total flags per titan
  • Average flags per dead titan, overall and by color, monthly (weekly would be better)
  • Average damage per flag, per titan
  • Average damage per flag, monthly (or weekly), overall and by color
  • Total kills and kill percent, monthly (or weekly), overall and by color (maybe by titan star level)
  • Kill threshold
  • Average HP of killed titans, monthly (or weekly)

This is just some of the stuff I do for titans, we have another member doing similar pencilwork for wars. Just about any condensed data you could give us would make the whole thing easier.

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Yes please. :slight_smile:

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I would like to see top 10 total numbers of victorious raid defenses in diamond. I expect something like 5 billion Telluria, 3b Vela, 3b Gravemaker, and any others way below.

Omg, the data they must have would be paradise for any statistician!

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Iā€™ll be honest, my first reaction was that this is just a bone thrown to the community to redirect the discussion from the down time issues and unhappiness with the 20 challenge coins worth of feeder heroes. While the topic is of interest, the data is churned in a way to be irrelevant/ of little use to the average player while simultaneously making a pitch to spend money for special heroes. Also, ā€˜look Telly is not there, itā€™s all fine nowā€™ ā€¦ :roll_eyes:

That said, of course we would like to see interesting data. But there has to be a balance between ā€˜celeb-watchingā€™ data and actually helpful data.

Helpful data would not be data relating raid defences of top 100 players. We can see that already. Iā€™d like to see a better analysis of how heroes from different seasons stack up against each other. Whether costumes have increased the usage of certain heroes, and if yes, which ones. Which heroes are used more at ascension item walls - 3/70 for 5s or 3/60 for 4s. Which are the top attack or defense heroes for various forms of raid tournaments? Iā€™d like to see hero counter data - which are the most common heroes taken to against a certain tank? Which are the most commonly emblemed heroes? Which are the heroes which have a high success rate or use age even when partly levelled or unemblemed? What is an average winning score for an alliance war (30 participants, 25, 20, 15 or lower)? Other data that will help people decide which hero to level or emblem or field in certain formats.

Celeb watching data is entertaining for a while, but doesnā€™t really help our gameplay. On the other hand, if itā€™s just to divert attention from the general sense of gloom in the community ā€¦ I really have nothing to say to that.

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Like the raid index, would live it more with % win rate and total of number of raids per hero listed.

If a hero is used just once in a diamond tier raid and that raid is won would the 100% rate get them included?

Now I just need to make sure no one else uses Derek in diamond tier for the next 3 months

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Metrics I would like to see for for each defense

Gross trophies ( sum of trophy ranks for defenses using the hero, one entry per bout )

Example

If 5x defenses -

Player A 2000,
Player A 2000,
Player A 2100,
Player B 2100,
Player C 2200 -

use Hero X then Gross trophies is 10,400 .

Bout Usage ( total number of bouts using a hero )

Example
If 5x bouts then Bout Usage is 5.

Average trophies ( Gross trophies divided by Bout Usage )

Example
10,400 / 5 = 2,080 Average trophies.

Number of rerolls ( total number of times attacker rerolled when matched with defense instead of using an energy to attack )

Number of retries ( total number of times attacker used 1+ rematches against the defense ).

Even better, the above broken into win/ lose/ tie.

Then same numbers for attacking heroes.

The infographic could use Average trophies with a table listing the remaining information.

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Curious, but kinda useless like this.
The very moment Telluria wasnā€™t there in defence, it cease any significant meaning for all the rest.

All the data are not reliable, or the calculation have wrong basis.

But ok, it is still source of good discussions and iā€™m not against it.

Justā€¦ i donā€™t take it so seriously.

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I was thinking, this explains why the database crashed yesterday. Someone was trying to get all this information put together and must have started a fire in the server room with all that sliding.

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The defense ones makes sense with the exception of maybe white rabbit. I think he is a great hero, but imo he does not require any special planning to deal with. But like others have already said these heroes are here because they are more likely to be found in those too tier defenses of maxed troops and emblems.

For the attack heroes I am most curious about c. Sartana up there and I wonder if she is successful because people use her in a 3-2 set up with c. Rigard as the other purple. I assume the other attack heroes are there because their non-damage effects, but c sartana is just a straight killer so itā€™s good to see a sniper get some love.

I think the infographic is good I personally am curious on win rate percentage and would like to see that there. In terms of other data whatever you are willing to share Iā€™m willing to look at

Meaningless if not using a somewhat high minimum number of raids to qualify

Why? There are tons of Telly defenses out there that donā€™t even run fully-maxed Tellys, and/or that have sub-optimal teams that only exist because Telly is there to help it get into diamond. Not surprising its win percentage on defense would be lowā€¦

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I have her at +10 so far and use her in a mono. Her hits after Rig and Tibs have primed the scene leave some serious bruises.

And in a very unorthodox approach, Iā€™ve been using her at tank in my raid D for a couple of weeks. Rather surprisingly Iā€™m holding around 2.6k Ā±50ish. She has quite decent def and very good HP stats so I guess she can take a few blows allowing the rest of my motley crew to cause mischief.

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Finley and killhare definitely deserve top 5.

Exactly because of this.
The strongest defensive hero is not in the chart of the strongest defensive heroes.
This is just wrong and donā€™t reflect reality of things, no matter which number you use to prove it, no matter how you look at it.

We all know that, but she is not there for whatever reason.

This chart is wrong. Period.

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For me, this topic was straight after the server meltdown, and it looks like a good advertisement: Donā€™t forget to buy, look Finley, top defender, look at C-Kadilen, you donā€™t want to miss the choice, look Lady Loki, new but very powerful, indispensable"

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