Aethers and Mats Offers - February 2022 (and beyond?)

Love the discount breakdown with and without the fortune cookies! I’m tempted, are you?

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I was for a bit cos those trainers would come in handy. Then Roses popped back in. T5 offer is better for Master Trainers. So I will skip this Mighty Elradir offer.

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Yeah, price wise

2x FTM: 6x 3* Master trainer = 19800 combined XP for $16 (USD) (plus 14 summons)
3x T5 CoR: 3x 3*, 6x 2*, 3x 1* Master trainers = 33,660 combined XP for $15 (USD) (plus 9 summons and 2500 gems)

Unless you’re chasing event heroes, CoR is much better value

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That roses offer was not even two weeks ago. Challenge Festival II milking is strong. But I’ll probably give in and take tier 4 again …


Yes, it’s odd that it returned so soon. Official reply will be : working as intended.

Date: 14 August 2022
Offer: Spooky Forest Fun
Price: Varies

T1 S$6.98 / US$4.99

Gems = 600
EHT = 300 gems
Turtle Banners 5x = 50 gems
Value in Gems = 950 => $13.65 from Shop
Discount 49%

Excluding the banners, Discount is 46%.

T2 S$28.98 / US$19.99

3AM 3x = $4.50
Gem & Gem Equivalents = $24.48

Gems = 2300
EHT = 300 gems
Titan flask = 100 gems
Turtle Banner 5x = 50 gems
Dragon Banner 5x = 115 gems
Value in Gems = 3065 => $44.05 from Shop
Discount 34%

Excluding the weapons and flasks, Discount is 28%.

T3 S$148.9& / US$99.99

EL 4AM 2x = $14.00
3AM 4x = $6.00
Gem & Gem Equivalents = $128.98

Gems = 11000
EHT 3x = 900 gems
ETT 3x = 600 gems
Flasks 5x = 500 gems
Dragon Banners 10x = 230 gems
Timestop 5x = 300 gems
Value in Gems = 13,530 => $194.44 from Shop
Discount 34%

Excluding the weapons and flasks, Discount is 31%.

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Date: 15 August 2022
Offer: Mythic Battle Bundle
Price: S$6.98 / US$4.99

Gems = 500
5 Titan Banners = 500 gems
5 Scrolls of Alteration = 1500 gems
5 Hurricanes = 1000 gems
Value in Gems = 3500 => $50.30 from Shop
Discount 86%
(Expanded to 4 decimal points: 86.1233%)

Assuming a full 30/30 alliance and everyone buys 1x of this offer, Player receives additional:

29 Titan Banners = 2900 gems
29 Scrolls of Alteration = 8700 gems
29 Hurricanes = 7250 gems
Value in Gems = 18850 gems => $270.89

Adjusted value to the Player:
In gems = 22350 => $321.19 from Shop
Adjusted Discount 98%
(Expanded to 4 decimal points: 97.8268%)

For alliances that are not 30/30, every 1 player less =
1 less Titan Banner = 100 gems less
1 less Scroll of Alteration = 300 gems less
1 less Hurricane = 250 gems less
Reduction in value of gems = 650 gems less
=> $9.341 less
Discount reduces by 0.065%


:eyes: Here I thought this would be one of the shittiest offers!

It’s one of the best offers for MT if you are in a 30/30 alliance and everyone purchases that offer at least once.

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Shouldn’t this be 100 gems less?

Also this can’t be right, because it implies that a 1/1 alliance gets a 97.51% discount on the items, when they don’t get anything from alliance-mates. Should it be ~3.4% (1/29) less per missing member? Or ~3.37% (97.8/29)?

The % discounts also assumes you value these items equal to SG’s assigned shop value. I personally don’t value Titan Banners at 100 gems each, as it’s only a 20% increase over dragon banner, of which I have over 400, plus I normally bring an attack buffer who gives +48% for most colors. Nor do I value Hurricanes at 250 gems each when 40 of them come as a reward from Valor Pass every second (or third?) month.

I hear ya and I agree and disagree with you at the same time, if it makes sense. I think I’ve had the same argument with someone else on this thread or the other, where we spoke about how the “perceived value” may differ from player to player.

Most of the times, @BlackZed analysis also shows the discount w/o battle/crafting items too and sometimes I use them as an indicator.

In the end, we all have various factors that go into making something valuable or not. Unfortunately, that also means that it is very hard to assign a realistic value on these that will suit everyone. So, we stick to a common baseline. That way, each player can evaluate according to their own strengths, stockpiles, needs and style. As long as we all understand that I think this is fine.

None of this is real, and once hit the buy button, your money stops being real too :grin: Take it with grain of salt, and to each his/her/their own, eh? :beers:


Thanks for picking up the error. I have edited my post.

The incremental discount from items gifted from an alliance mate is based on a 30/30 alliance.

If it’s a 1/1 alliance, it’s just the base discount: 86%.

Value for anything in RL or Game is always from the Beholder’s perspective, and therefore subjective.

My calculations are based on as objective as possible bases. My readers ultimately decide for themselves whether an offer is good value for them.

In your context, Titan banners are not worth your money. That’s fair enough. Don’t buy the offer then.


The “Feel The Power” Senan offer has been updated to a 2 Tier offer fronted by Elradir:

Date: 19 August 2022
Offer: Feel The Power! (Elradir)
Price: Varies

Tier 1 S$44.98 / US$29.99

15m Ham = $16.11
S4 Coins & Flasks => $28.87

Valued in gems :
2000 S4 Coins = 7000 gems
10 WE Flasks = 1000 gems
Value in Gems = 8000 => $114.97 from Shop
Discount 75%

If player is only interested in summon coins, it will be S$2.25 / US$1.50 per summon. This offer is comparable to the ToU D1 $44.98 offer, except for the absence of gems, which is replaced with Ham.

Tier 2 S$6.98 / US$4.99

Master Trainers 1* 5x = 6600XP
Master Trainers 2* 5x = 9900XP
Master Trainers 3* 1x = 3300XP
Value in XP = 19800
Price per 1000XP = $0.3525

This is the lowest price per 1000XP to date.
Extrapolating to each master trainer tier :
1* 1320XP = $0.4653
2* 1980XP = $0.69795
3* 3300XP = $1.16325
4* 6600XP = $2.3265

Previous prices for 1000XP:
18 June 2022 offer = $0.483
22 July 2022 offer = $0.3917

This downward trend reduces the discount in regular offers featuring Master Trainers.



Love the trend analysis as well value with just the coins. I was hoping for another “hamgate” with tier 1 :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I thought that the value (price) of master trainers had stabilised. I went ahead to start updating my earlier posts on offers featuring master trainers.

Then on Day 3 (today), BAM …. This offer appears and the price of Master Trainers has declined yet again. :laughing:

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I am kinda interested for tier 1 of “Feel the Powah” mainly because of ham (but also because Xnol is featured). 15M of ham is nothing to sneeze at. Otherwise comparable to Underwild offer day 1 tier 1 minus the ham and 1000 coins instead of 3000 gems (which is the same thing if you intend to use them in Underwild portal).

Yeah that Powah T1 offer is tempting. 1.5M hammmm! Still mulling it over. Decisions! Decisions!

15M, which is quite a lot honestly.

Yup. I was waiting for the usual 6.5M ham offer for $6.98 each. This Powah offer does make more sense. Will bite at the Nth hour.

Dem Roses are back again. Not even 2 weeks.

Based on your post, only 12 days!

What happened to all the other offers?!

Roses Are Red
Wallets Are Blue
A Scent Like No Other
Freshly Minted or Not