they balance a hero and there is a clamor, they slow down tools and cry. There is a caste, a medieval nobility in the game, most of them very bad players, but with real money, which are very annoying and derogatory, as a superior and untouchable class, which always has to have all the advantages, in case it does not already have too many, in a game where the difference between spending or not is abysmal
Speaking as a player here…
There is a balance to online games:
- Too slow = people leave
- Too fast, it’s over = people leave
There is a balance between free-to-play and pay-to-play:
- All F2P, game goes out of business = people leave
- All P2P, not enough people playing together to make the game fun = people leave
It’s a great (and unrewarding) balancing act that requires constant balancing of the system to get it right. There will always be complaints somewhere that the balance is off. The question is, are these impatient players demanding instant gratification or valid criticisms of the system that should be heard? (Yet another balancing act).
I think SG isn’t perfect, but they try very hard to address these different sides of the balance.
If you have been playing for several months, have you been building your Training Camp(s) to the following levels?
- TC12 - makes guaranteed 3*
- TC13 - makes guaranteed 3* with chance at 4*
- LATER: TC20 - makes guaranteed 3* with a chance at 4* and 5*
Many who play develop a sort of myopia that they must obtain (and level) a full set of 5* in the first five minutes of the game, and it just isn’t true.
Yes, there are those who, thru luck or money or grinding or all three, have managed to field a 5* team. They are not all players.
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Hi.
Totally agree and understand that this balance is there and don’t feel that this difference has or was ever the question ir issue.
I have done quite a bit of reading and placed input on here and hsve never seen anyone complaint because the paid players had more advantages the free players.
What I have see is players both paying and free complain about the same thing, how long it takes for ascension items to be made available through the game, I am a paying player.
What I have seen is peolpe post ideas/suggestions on what they feel could improve the game and with many of these ideas SG could be making more money than what they are now as well as see less plsyers leave.
Many of the suggestions have been requested because they come from players how like the game and want to keep playing the but are forced to stop playing due to time and access to materials resctrictions.
Many have also stated (myself included) that things drastically need to improve before they would consider spending more money.
The problem with SG’ s thinking atm is lets restrict and slow things down and they will spend more money in the hope of speeding things up. But instead they are doing the opposite and pushing players away.
Where the issue is a few things which have been valid towards those gamers wanting to keep playing a game tgey have come to like but are FORCED to stop playing bue to the lack of the games resources. Lets look into these.
- your playing a game which offers different levels on a map to obtain items which are needed to progress, FANTASTIC. Progression means to grow and improve in which case you as a player would believe that as uou moved up the levels and they get harder the rewards would also get better and provide what you need to also improve and become competitive accordingly.
But this games map challenges no matter which levels your playing only provide the same items throughout, and these ite.s keep building up at numerous amounts because they have no more use in the game once you reach the top.
Where as if the game provided harder/longer levels and distributed the items gain from these levels according to the levels strengths then it eould make playing more interesting and worthwhile.
I there was a special reward at the higher levels for example from 15 upwards for finishing those levels like a guaranteed specific 4*/5* hero or the ascension items like for example one of each needed BUT no instead we are given the same rubbish we been geeting throughout the game.
- players are encouraged to spend money to buy gems to spend on trying to get more/better heros which they do ONLY to find that THE GAME restricts you from progressing these heros to a point which can take months. Now these people didn’t argue or winge about spending that money and would even be glad to spend more money, they complained that the game along stops them from playing and gives them no benefits for having spent that hard earned cash forcing them to stop playing a game which they have just paid money into.
Ascertain items should be made more accessible throughout the game and in the store for gems not having to wait for months on end for 1 item when the hero you have needs (for example) 4 of them. If a player is prepared to pay for example 200 gems fir an ascending item they need, isn’t SG making more money?
- Many suggestions have also been about having better communication between players, on many games players can chat whilst playing but on this it’s either chat or play.
Better leadership control over members, better contact possibilities between leaders to allience members.
- many issues have been on the actual high cost of gems where as on most games gems/coins/tokens what ever they use works out to about a cent each where as here they cost up to 16 cents each meaning less players can afford to play, lower prices brings more money thus bigger profits.
Why couldn’t they even sell specific heros, I see no problem in players paying between 10 and 20 gems for 5* hero if they feel they want it sooner than what it’s available through the game and wouldn’t SG make more money that way.
- The end to this game comes to quickly compared to the money involved in playing the game, meaning the game would like you to spend around 100 or 200 or so a month playing but after 12 months there is no more game to continue playing other than repeating what you have already done time and time agian andvthat is just not on for someone that has spent over 1000$ the past year on the game.
Now the game may be expanded with season 2 coming out (lets hope) and all good if it is but even then I am sure players would be more inclinded to have each level longer and harder to play or even more stages within the battles as you progress in the game than have it completed in 6 to 12 months and be left with only titan and AW to content with.
There many other factors which have been brought up tgat would also increase the companies REVENUE which could be addressed but the bottom line of it all is not the difference between pay and free play, it’s not the paying to play nir is the fact that players aren’t progressing fast in the game.
It is that THE GAME forces you to stop playing and progressing weather it be pay or free.
By golly would it even be difficult to have say for example a seperate map or challenges offering extra levels where you could say something like, pay 1000 or 2000 gems to play this level and get ascension items faster, wouldn’t SG make more money then and players would be content.
The biggest problem here is when there is no more game to pkay and you get bored with it and this is all this game leads to is BOREDOM, FRUSTRATION AND DISAPPOINTMENT
CHEERS
Honestly why are you even playing this game? You don’t seem to A. Have the patience for it, B. Generally enjoy it., or C. Understand why it works the way it does.
You’re also refusing to listen to any explainations.
So maybe find a faster paced, easier, simpler game to play?
HONESTLY; I have stated I don’t like the game or enjoy playing it.
If you paid any attention to what I wrote presuming that to have made this comment you have read all my posts I have only provided ideas/suggestions on how to improve or make changes to the game to improve not only players time on here but also improve SG REVENUE thus profits based on the constant complaints others have posted not only on this forum but on the other forums and reviews online about this game.
If you read and seen anything I have said or posted you will have seen that I also help others asking questions and also post game clips on utube displaying strategies to help them get through levels because as an alliance leader I constantly get asked what is the best way to get through certian levels and what better way to explain it than uploading clips.
Forums are designed for discussions, polite confrontations and suggestions no matter how good or bad they may sound to others. This in turn helps the owners see what the players want and how they feel which in turn helps devs make better future updates and gaming experiences such as for example a better season 2 in this case.
So yea I do support a lot if faults in the game and participate in agreeing and disagreeing on some but that way means I shouldn’t be here and in fact if anything my feedback comes with good intentions and from a man which has created/managed million dollar businesses for over 45yrs and I do that because I like the game and can see heaps of potential in it, if I didn’t like I wouldn’t be here wasting my time with it and just leave.
What’s your experience?
Great businesses are created from negative feedback, only good feedbacks only leads to just keeping on making the same mistakes and crap which leads to losing everything in the end.
Faster and simplier, lol again you don’t understand what I have what your reading because if anything I have suggested making it harder and slower with more optio s on obtaining items.
Cheers
Hmm. I read your post and my initial take away from your post is a repetitive request from an increase in opportunities to pay to win. (No disrespect meant; it’s what I read.) 
Now I have no issue with F2P, C2P or P2P. I think all varieties are necessary to the stability and variation of players in the game.
I heard you over and over asking for more opportunities for pay to play, but not the others…which throws the game out of balance, in my opinion.
I’m not sure how long you have been playing, but there are many more opportunities to buy ascension materials nowadays. They are relatively plentiful compared to when I started, so I’m confused how much more a P2P model you want to move to?
One of the things I have always loved about E&P is their attempt to be even-handed with all their players. I have rarely seen it kept like this, though admittedly lately the pendulum has swung more towards P2P.
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Appreciate the remark but wasn’t my intention and in fact you will find most my coments on matter play a large emphasis on ascension items taking months to appear which upsets both free and paying players alike, myself having 3 heros which need 3 to 4 items to be ascended and based on the games turnaround of these items which was stated it can take months for 1 then at that rate these heros are going nowhere this year.
My suggestions where to make them accessible either through the store ( which yes involves paying which paying players would do if they wanted them faster) and/or through different levels as rewards throughout the game.
Understanding the affected differences between pay and free play it’s only common sense that anything offered to paying members also be made available to free players as well just with longer path to achive.
My statements are mostly based on time players have to wait for items, buildings to be built and trainers as this leads to week at times and thus vastly slowing players down not only boring them but turning them away.
The bottom line as any game play anywhere and as you know free players will rarely be at the same high level game peak as paying players so trying to restrict both is not a good business model and what this forum has shown quite clearly paying customers are the most disappointed players on here not understanding why they spend money and are forced to be stuck and leave when in fact all they are really complaining about is why are we forced to stop playing.
Take me for example i downloaded this game at my sons request so we could play together and he plsys many many online games but when he plays a game with friends a game takes 3 to 4 hrs of play if not longer and there continuous goals to achive. Right firstly he has since gotten bored with the game and doesn’t play anymore but i have taken a liking to it so got more involved in it but having said that when i play i want to play till i have had enough not for 30min to hour and then find i have nothing left to do in the game, not find i can’t improve because the game had decided it’s going to restrict me from (if it’s what i wanted to do) upgrading my heros for months, stopping me from going higher.
I wonna keep playing till I’ve had enough but this game is (as exciting as it is ) can be very restrictive which is annoying players both free and paying.
The balance between the can be kept and needs to be but that doesn’t mean it has to be incredibly time consuming and boring.
Note; I have been playing for something like 100 or so days now and these issues where mentioned here long before I started playing and all I did/do is agree with them based on my own experience and even then that wasn’t till about the 2 month of playing which is when these issues started to come into play and be more noticeable and I’m no shy type of person at all and I will speak up not to downgrade or insult the company or any individual in any way what so ever, but to make aware this issue to the company owners in the hope they will see some sort if sense in this and work towards correcting it in the future which in the real world only means more money in the pockets and you can’t tell that this isn’t a goal.
Everyone has said here; we like/love the game but it gets to a boring, annoying and frustrating level way to fast which is forcing users to leave.
In big business we have a saying; listen to the people or you’ll have no one to listen too.
Edited spelling mistakes due to large fingers, lol, sorry
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I’ve been waiting about 3 weeks to finish ascending a 4*. I now have 4 4*'s that are waiting and I do everything they say to do… But they are each still waiting for at least 2 items…
… the oracle has finally spoken!
I don’t see anyone expecting anything in 5 minutes of playing BUT the game but the is about having fun but the basics of the game is about battles if your the type of player who is playing to achive top scores or win battles and you put everything you have including spending money on the game (not excluding f2p players) into creating what that player feels is a top team and then FORCED BY THE SYSTEM/GAME to stop upgrading that team to be able to advance further in the, it makes sense that players get upset and disappointed especially when they find it it could be months before getting what they need, I myself need 4x hidden blades and 3x shields and 3x Capes and it’s been over a month now and still not even 1 of these but I keep gett in all chests, titan and other etc a whole of stuff I not can get farming but have 100s of each already meaning at that rate it’ll be yrs I get to ascend every hero.
No one is saying make easy to get but what yhry adking for is making ascension items more accessible throughout the game than the current MAYBE 1 EVERY FEW MONTHS.
People spend money because they are enjoying themselves not because they are frustrated or forced to wait and get noting.
Listen to what the people are telling you or you will find yourself with no one to listen too except maybe your already top players who don’t need to spend money because they have already reached their max abilities.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN and without them you have no game
… I know, but I have read, learned and gained enough experience to know and handle … what I’m dealing with.
I feel sorry for you.
Then your also where the amount of players your losing because of it.
Don’t feel sorry for me m8, I just put fscts down in writing in a place which is designed specifically for that THE FORUM
Forums are designed to voice opinions, get help, advice, suggestions and most of all to let owners know what we think about about their product.
I also read a lot and not only o thus forum but on other forums as well and also reviews, stats, etc.
Your already a seasoned player or for all we know even one of the devs or owners, yes I been there done that too m8.
Anyway I’m very well aware no one on the other end is listening and that what is said is only seen by the same members day in day out with the same responses from the same seasoned players JUST BE PATIENT I WILL COME
Yet this games keeps FRUSTRATING players more than it is ENJOYABLE
No,… it’s because of you, unfortunately.
Good that you know this ,… and I’m voicing my opinions like everyone else.
Ok,… you seem very frustrated.
Here … watch this and chill out a bit.
Do you think Richard has played the game?
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REALLY,
Yes all the post I’ve read here on this forum dating back from last year of players complaining, leaving, disappointed, angry, feeling cheated, done wrong by, and the list just goes on and on and on and on and on ARE ALL MY FAULT even though I’ve only been here a couple of months.
I am so chilled out and rolling with laughter over your last responses I feel like you deserve this more than anyone
It will bring you back down to earth and prepare you so you can see and understand the reality of things.
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This is not your type of music, but thank you.
It’s my type and I like it.
Your welcome, I need it to carm yourself down.
Erm, I’m NOT an Oracle, I’m a fellow player.
“…5 minutes…” is hyperbole.
Are you trolling, @Tough_E_Nough ? 
I was re-reading this thread and I wanted to respond briefly to a comment that you made about paying for 5* players (within the context of P2P making money for SG):
I’m not sure if you meant 10-20 gems or 100-200 or 1000-2000. But 10 is…there is nothing, not the smallest thing available in the game for 10 gems, and a 5* is currently the highest item. (I personally reject putting a price tag on a 5*, but that’s just me.)
Also:
The outcry then would be that SG was favoring P2P players at the expense of F2P and C2P. (Never fear, I’m sure they are looking always for new ways to add content to the game, and it will always be easier to add P2P content.) The balancing act will continue and I look forward to seeing how they solve it.
After so many complaints, 5 days ago, I decided to write down what falls. I break all the chests (slower heroes) and I have made a purchase today, but it has surprised me a little, although it coincides with the more than 25 of 3 * that I keep, even having already used 18.
31/7. Compass, titan
1/8 Tool and gloves. Ice
3/8. Orb. Coffer heroes. Compass and layer, offer gems.
4/8 gloves monster chest
Sincerely, I do not think it is small, although if it is unequal, nothing of 4 *. it will not be that most of the complaints are not from f2p, but from who buys millions and has 5 of 5 *, 2 hotm and 3 or 4 5 * of event? I only ask.
Should of had Thousand there.
Firstly don’t know what C2P means.
The whole point of this discussion was at making ascension items a bit more achievable throughout the game rather than only through chest rewards, titan prizes or AW (I may have forgotten one or two) .
The biggest complaint by everyone is the fact they have to wait for months on end to ascend heros meaning for most (Including myself which is why I joined in these conversations to start with) of us we can’t grow our teams power strengths because the system is forcing us to stay idle making us believe that if we spend money we will have a better chance when in fact that is also not true.
All I have suggested is was that may help with making these items available more often within the game levels weather it be as rewards from achieving levels ( covering f2p players) or offering them at cost for p2p players.
When I started in this forum most answers to my questions where in lines of!
If you want to get ahead faster be prepared to spend a lot of money.
What crap thst us because most complaints here about these issues are from p2p players
The bottom line here is, why shoukd we be expected to spend money in a game that forces you to STOP playing, expanding and takes all the fun of coming here to start with.
Here! I am going to give you an example based on my current position in the game, now this isn’t a complaint but a comment.
I come here to spend my free time playing a game that I have found enjoying that has levels, stages, can be played for free, have some level of skill to it, and lets be honest here achive a goal of accumulating x amount of cups as they are really the only real goal to this game.
It’s come to a point where in map challenges which I have almost completed, the higher you go the less rewarding the rewards are fir completing a level, now I not say furing that level but there could be some better rewards for completing it ( like ascension items for one) but instead you find yourself getting nothing more than the same crap you did and in many cases less than you did from the lower levels which turn does nothing to encourage going any higher buy instead annoys you.
The amount of time I can spend on here playing is literally cut in half if not less bue to the extremely high number of flags needed to keep on playing which means it’s gone from spending about an hour on here to around 20 to 30 minutes then you find you have to leave because you can’t do anything. So instead of being able to keep playing a game because you like playing it your FORCED to leave the game. OK here you can buy flasks to keep playing which is great BUT what is the interest in buying flasks when there are no rewards for finishing levels and the system still forces yiu to be stuck in one place.
Then as you do spend money you still find the game restricts you from climbing the ladder because you can’t ascend heros. The bottom line is, it does matter how what you do or how you do it tge game FORCES you to be stuck doesn’t provide any more than a few minutes of enjoyment at a time before your have nothing else you can do in the game.
Now I k ow what they including yourself keep repeating that that is the design of the game which is fine BUT don’t blame me on here for stating true facts based I my experience and what I have read online (not just this forum) about this game where 90% of it is nothing but frustration and disappointment due to fast rate the game uses up resources and the extremely very slow rate it provides a fun playing experience we want to enjoy.
All these issues where here long before I got here.
So I also find myself with hsving to leave the game after 20mins or so due to having nothing to do, where’s the fun in that, HONESTLY
LIKE IN THE GAME ITSELF this post has lost it’s true meaning and has become more about degrading me than it has trying to come up with ideas that could potentially find a way that may interest the SG devs to find a happy medium in user experiences which is what a forum is designed for but instead finding I am getting nothing more than personally degraged by the same few for suggestion options that maybe good/bad or right/wrong and not every idea works but can be worked upon so I said like in the game itself this post has lost it’s meaning and should just be left to widdle away like the hundreds of other posts here not replied or responded too because lets face it, it really gets boring to hear the same old responses from the same members over and over again no matter what the question is hey.
Cheers