10th month #NoSpend TIME TO DECLARE WAR!

We must stand together, and promote better changes for the game and community!

With similar purpose in mind, I created a thread, where you can raise sheild in support and vote for the direction you wish for game to develop, few posts lower : A letter to an old friend ( Khagan to Ratatoskr) - COMMUNITY SENDING MESSAGE TO SG (MUST READ!)

// lets hope, we dont get to the point, where we need to take your steps above, but find more peaceful way!

All in all, WE STAND together! :slight_smile:


all I’m doing is having a civil discussion which is what this forum is for.

i have no problem with anchor and seems a lot don’t have a problem with anchor from what i can tell. which if you do, that’s your choice but i don’t see why you keep making things about other people.

this is a “movement” you’re trying to start
you started the thread
you wrote the OP
you’ve been the loudest voice in this thread

why do you insist on making this discussion about others?

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well that seems like a positive effort

Huge support. Lets hurt them where they will feel the pain ( in money )

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This all sounds nice and fairytalish, i got some questions though.

This other game you mentioned that rebelled… How big it was? Who was the developer? Did it have gigant like zynga looming over their heads?

I guess no. And here is the difference my friend - if the game is small and heard by developers, if they got good PR person, if they are independent, all of your ideas make sense.

But we can’t compare EP to this other unnamed game, therefore it’s really hard to implement those ideas of rebellion…

How many people are here active on forum, how many on reddit, on fb, and not on any social media at all??
Because I honestly think that here we are a minority. Majority of casual players don’t read stuff and get involved in forums, this is a mobile game for gods sake, people play it while commuting or during free evenings. Hardcore players like us, i don’t think there is more than 50k. And how many in overall play… dunno, we could use SG data here.

So whales there in your game got angry and made vids. Cool. Here whales will drop today a video “sPeNDiNg 70k GeMs To SuMmON tHoR” and that will be the end of your war.

Have fun though and good luck.

I’ve also said this!
I think we are a smidge off kilter though.

On Day 1

I suppose the imbalance was between 3 to 4*
Then 4 to 5*

And it was off to the races!

Who will have that pure 5* D, first?

Quickly the dust settled.
Wasn’t the first Meta a Magni tank?

Saturation developed. Not really because imbalance. But less variety.

Then first event, Pirates!

And it was off to the races!

And more events, then season 2, and more events, then season 3 and more events…

Next S4…and…

It’s been… off to the races
The entire time! True Story


The balance issues, now…are not between 4* and 5*
Noor have they ever been.
We’ve been racing for so long. That last year, Costumes became necessary…

Comparing Quintus to say…Killhare
Is gross! :face_vomiting: the conversation really should be/ between 5 and 6* at this point.
And then costumes are not balance. They are new cards! And more pulls!

It’s really not so difficult to look at all of that and think about tomorrow. And next year. And the year after… which is important due to the amount of grind and time required!

So what’s really changed? The optics.
That’s all.

And while I respect these guys opinions:

They can be straightforward about weaker releases. But how often does that happen? Which, through no fault of their own… they tend to help generate excitement in support of, the races and not balance.

#nospend is a decision that YOU should contemplate on YOUR day 1 !

Contemplating it later… will cause heartburn. Awful indigestion!
Because you feel invested!
And your watching the money you spent get nerfed… whether over time or swiftly.

It’s not likely that you will put that fire out here. But I suppose it does feel good to vent. And possible help enlighten a newcomer about spending money on their
Dream Team

Or not :joy:
There will still be someone that loves
3-connecting so much they will donate a fortune.

As far as changing policy? I believe they are here! Among us :eyes:

But business… @Cheds is right. This is a very old business model. It exists for a reason. And likely won’t change without obliterating the loot box.
Which… won’t happen

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The voices coming to my line for info says you are wrong and anything I can do to help it along I will. Already in the thread the necessary information cant be post here but I wanna thank everyone who has come for more info and offered their support.

I’m glad you are happy thats the goal for everyone

i don’t think 22 people is remotely close to any kind of a majority

and after reading what you replid to, i don’t even see how that proves me wrong on anything I’ve said or wrote so far

I have been playing this game #nospend (well, #minisculespend) for three years. I enjoy the game so far. That may change when non-S1 costumes are released but that’s a future concern.

If I ever stopped playing though, I doubt very much I would switch to another similar game. I would find something entirely different to play.

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I agree it’s a video game, but this is not fair to F2P players. I use to go to wars and I could do defeat opponents now if I go up against ninjas, a Krampus, Kill Haré and Frigg i Can use 6 war flags and still won’t kill them especially on fast attack

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I wonder why though?

If you’re not a spender. Then it’s extraordinarily likely you don’t have a costume anyway.
And even if you do. They will be made obsolete regardless. Even without costumes expanding on.
By next year S1 costumes will need…
Another costume!!!

Just as S2 and older event heroes are now falling behind!

So as the trend continues. And the stats inflate. Buffing the old and weak:
Including Finley not now :joy:
But as S4 and more events come. Eventually he will be obsolete too.

For me the crime isn’t that costumes are expanding to encompass more heroes.
Strong heroes. Whatever… who cares?
Costumes are still new pulls?

The true crime is that they exist at all!
Rather than buff your old 5* that have become miniaturized by the lucrative new WhoooWhooo’s… 6*

Because… oh… balance update…that would… be free?
Oh no no no. Can’t have that?
F2P, yeah… that group should get a voice! Because the truth is. Paying players are in the same boat!
Whether they know it or not.
Whether they like it or not…

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so spend money…

you’re playing for free

get what you pay for :man_shrugging:

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It’s a matter of integrity – or lack thereof. When costumes were released we were told they would only be for S1 heroes – a bone for the f2p’s admittedly hidden behind a paywall but still a bone. It is similar to the statement I made that if it could be shown that boards were in fact not random then I would quit playing.

And I do have costumes. Costume Sartana is a beast on my team. Since I only get S1 heroes in the portals anyway I only use my hoarded gems in the costume portal.


I can’t be agree with this. The fact that money is the only way to get heroes means that players are not equals, that players with more money have a big advantage on those who don’t. That’s not unfair, it’s real life and maybe tha’ts a pity that today’s games match real life but that another discussion.

Something unfair in this game?
Maybe the fact that long time ago TC20 was providing not so bad heroes and today new f2p players got garbage from TC20. New players may consider it’s unfair that most accessible heroes for free are outdated, what was not our case when we begin to play.
Maybe the fact that after pulling some nice heroes (for free or not) they are nerfed because OP (like Teluria or Vela) or simply to give space to another hero (wukong has been nerfed to give some reasons to players to chase tarlak) they are nerfed.
Maybe raid tournament are unfair because some players are attacked several time a days (given them opportunity to classify between E and A) and others are not attacked for days (classifying them C) or worst beeing attacked one single time during event (defeat on first day that rewards you a E for all the week)

I’m pretty sure we can find constructive argument on what is unfair in the game but summon is not the better one.

What is unfair from SG is that we’re complaining for years about roster management and nothing is done to change this, what is unfair is that SG just put a small line on its sneak peek 2021 about QoL.

Did they use the word, only?
I honestly can’t remember. It still doesn’t make sense to confine costume profit potential though.

Because S2 is fast becoming obsolete next. Why should my Misandra get left out? How is that fair?

And so on…

The birth of costumes was from an obsolescent womb.

Which isn’t going anywhere… it’s expanding. Because… no one will visit a portal unless it has something stronger and faster.

Rinse… repeat until the make-up is tear-streaked on your C. Sartana

Which means… even if they do confine the costumes to S1.

  • The current costumes will still fall behind!

along with all the other old heroes.

It was already happening anyway!
It’s been happening all along.
And it isn’t going to stop…
Whether Costumes expand, or not.
So why be bothered?

What about the fact that most of the time, when a ftp player is able to.max out a hero. It took them so long to get all the matts the hero is obsolete? What about the fact that they don’t stack duplicates forcing people to spend hard to farm gems to keep expanding to create space for tons of unusable heroes. This list goes on but the summon one could be addressed even by jusy adding all heroes to the tc20. Not great odds of course but wow, a chance to get anyone seems fair dont yo think?


But that’s asking for things for free again which you adamantly weren’t doing at the start.

I just asked for that :smile:
Journey for better heroes - A painstakingly long road to TC20 (and beyond) for a F2P
Literally, just now

And I agree. I’m not advocating to keep making this worse. I’ve been arguing for balance too much…

And I’m tired of being told I don’t know how to play or I don’t have the heroes.
Even when debating buffs…! Someone will argue against it.

So I give up. This is a loot box game. And balance will be a war zone.
I accept that.

They have to keep the spenders,

But also not break the game somehow?

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in wars, theoretically players should be playing players of the same caliber

if they’re playing vs opponents that have some teams stronger than them, should still be able to come off with a W with some coordination and strategy

if they’re playing vs opponents where all 30 teams are too big for them to win consistently, then they’re in over their heads and should either take a step down, do more clean ups/tank busts, or lower their expectations of consistent performance if going for multiple 1 shots on bigger teams

if titans are too big for them to handle, try different strategies, team setups, battle item uses, etc. if none of that works, again step down to an alliance more within their strength

expecting f2p and p2p to be on exact same levels just doesn’t make any sense.

if i go to the local grocery store and get a piece of steak as a free sample, i don’t write a letter to complain about the guy buying a t bone steak and threaten a boycott if they continue to sell him a t bone steak while not offering whole t bone steaks as free samples…

spend what you can afford or spend what you choose, whichever but should have realistic expectations that if you’re not paying for a product, your product may be smaller or inferior than the product others are paying for

if i get a car from charity, i don’t expect a Ferrari or a corvette…probly a mini van from 1992…

even in call of duty on ps4 there is a p2w aspect due to weapon blueprints and that has been discussed on youtube. personally i have no issue with it as i have not bought any of the blueprints or even the battlepass since frankly i don’t play the game enough to spend more than the initial cost of the game, but I’m not going to start some “boycott tantrum revolution” saying players who bought the blueprints have better guns than the ones i access for free as it is an expectation that a bought product is typically better than a free one.

i could keep going with the different analogies.

could the game improve? sure. i can think of 100 ways the game could improve for any/all players, not just free and not just p2p. But if i wanted to take the time to discuss those issues, the discussion wouldn’t start off with a rant of “if me and my friends don’t get more free stuff from you guys, we’re going to give bad reviews and ask others to put their wallets away”…

I’m not trying to insult you, just to me that’s how your original post comes across and each of your responses doesn’t help it come across any better and i can’t for life of me wrap my ahead around how someone can conduct that type of behavior and thought process and not find any flaws in their actions or logic behind them.

plenty of stuff i do or say that i can look at and say “ok, yea that was a bit silly” but you seem to lack that a bit.

Also by your hostility and attitude, it seems you didn’t even want a discussion with your OP, you just wanted blind agreement which is pretty unrealistic expectation(thankfully)

i don’t think I’ve seen a discussion take place in this forum where everyone was in agreement on 1 topic. Anytime someone starts a new thread, there’s going to be questions, debates, different ways of thinking, etc. People are still people, completely normal. No reason to get ticked off or act hostile about it.

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How is waiting on a tc20 to give something free? Everyone had to fsrm.and build with the same resources and there is no garutnee if anything coming out but the hope that younwill.get something nice eventually is better than knowing norther what you never will.

One if the things the guy highlighted about our.new game is that the other game he plays has the same crappy summon odds as ours. He broke it down numerically very well, and just like I’m letting players know here, other games are not being anywhere near as stingy many now slightly behind the times games in the playstore.

Str8 to the point, if people know they can work for something they will, but if people feel no matter what they do they will.get nothing for the work they won’t.

The fact that people have to hoard some much I. This game it always makes the feel like Disneyland Disneyland they get to one that is not so stringent.

I have yet to buy a single monthly or weekly v.i.p. pass in my current game yet I’m able to average 3 to 4 multi pulls per week, more during events, in 10 months I am only missing 7 total heroes in game which makes it easy for me to eenjoymyself cause I can always plan for things. I may not be able to fully max them immediately but knowing there is nothing I can’t get is a feeling everyone should be ale to experience.

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